Brian Dixon
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now let me see,if reported that 600000 plus go this will mean less revenue for the goverment ie.income tax and ni payments,up goes benefits.so where is the sence of this.would it be better to keep people in work paying tax and ni contributions to help pay some of the deficit of rather than the reverse.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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PaulB.
You said "The Osborne emergency budget has almost certainly had a negative effect on business. Im out of business these days and am very glad about that. Labour were fearing a double dip recession if these massive cuts were implemented by the Tories and this is very likely to happen. There is already talk of 600,000 workers from the public sector alone losing their jobs...spread this job cut situation right across the board, right across the economy, and couple it with every Government Minister talking the economy down on national TV by promising even more severe cuts of 40% ...then you can see where the business problems are coming from.""""
You really are buying all the Labour spin hook line and sinker.
Talking the economy down, oh dear... telling the truth about the mess Labour created is better than spending 13 years destroying the economy.
Did you really think that large scale job losses in the public sector could be avoided? of course they cant - there must be job losses to cut down on the expensive bloated state and restore the finances to health.
'promising more severe cuts of 40%...... really - no, that wont happen. I have explained the intelligent tactics behind the 40% figure before. It is increasing the options available to achieve the needed level of cuts. It means that departments will not be cut evenly, some will be cut more than others. Some functions are more imporant than others, so that is sensible and logical.
Brian -do some basic maths. Money spent by the public sector is just recycled money.
Well, so much happening on this thread.
John, thanks for the comprehensive reply. It goes some way towards answering the question I had and it is interesting to take the 'base' numbers that are being bandied about and look at them. We can see straightaway that £45m per day is not the correct figure. In fact, £18m per day is the right number, a substantial difference and nowhere near as emotive. I accpt this is just the staret of the cost/benefit analysis, but at least shouting £18m per day is more accurate than £45m per day. I will read your response a coupel more time to fully absorb the detail you have kindly provided, thanks.
Apologies to my Catholic friends, no insult intended. I seek nothing more than to save my country money. The Catholic church is awash, like most religious orders, with loot taken from the poor it claims to protect and succour, and therefore should be able to pay for the Pope's visit. Why should I, a Baptist, pay for the Pope or any other religious leaders visit?
With regard to Ireland Bern, not sure why that is so insulting. The previous Pope paid a very successful visit, made all the more so because Ireland is a catholic nation, and recognised globally as such, along with most of South America. I happen to think it would be more appropriate for the Pope to visit those type of countries.
Let me be clear, I hav nothing against th Pope or Catholics, but, I don't want to pay for ANY religious leaders to come to my Church of England country. They can come, of course, but let them meet the total costs, don't foist it on the UK tax payer.
PaulB, sadly you are right about the state of the Church of England. However, I think it owes less to the influx of foreign catholics and more to the weak-kneed cow-towing succession of Archbishops of Canterbury that we have had.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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If the Pope is to visit Great Britain, I believe that his visit will actually stimulate some parts of the economy, albeit not greatly. As for the £12m bill, couldn't that be met by the Roman Catholic Church? They are amongst the wealthiest bodies in the world..........
True friends stab you in the front.
My point exactly Andy, thanks.
Barry, a good point about the cuts, but, I would also like to see some of the grande fromages biting the dust too. Far too often the mandarins survive at the cost of the minions. I hope the new government doesn't allow that to happen as it will surely undermine the message they want us all to buy into.
Interesting extract from a very recent CIPD survey:
"Fewer organisations will be implementing a recruitment freeze in 2010 (22%) compared with 2009 (42%)."
A pointer to private sector confidence in us turning the corner maybe?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you can be sure that the big wigs in the public sector will make the necessary cuts without it affecting the top echelons.
exit the people at the coalface.
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As always Howard.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I will be surprised Sid if some of the 'grande fromages' do not bite the dust with the options found with having to identify 40% cuts - one reason for doing it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interested to read post number 20 from tony.
having looked at his website a few times, i find that his market is selling things that we fancy but not the necessities of daily life.
tony seems unconcerned and maybe has a strategy for overcoming this problem.
what do forum members think of this?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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barryw,basic maths state that the govrment will be spending more on benifits than whats coming,dosent make sence to me.rather have people in work paying taxes of some sort than none at all.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian - you have a funny idea about 'basic maths' - I cant be bothered to give you a lesson on here.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,i dont need one.but if i do i will go back to college.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian:
Fully agree with yoy!
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
This government wants to slash thousands of jobs but also wants to get people off benefits and back into work. How do you work the maths out on that one?
Andy,
"Labour Party that shafted the country good and proper".
This Government is different is it?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Give them a chance, Gary. I'm sure they won't disappoint you, but I think they'll be Leyland DAF winners next to Labour's Champions League winners.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Very easily - we need wealth creating private sector jobs rather than wealth consuming public sector ones. Shifting the balance away from public to private must happen and there is only one way to do it - cut public spending.
GaryC - face facts, the government spends £4 for every £3 of income. Just how long could you survive if you carried on that way? It is no different for government than it is for you, the numbers are bigger, the consequences are greater, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
If Labour had been more sensible and had not built up a structural deficit and had obeyed the 'golden rule' Brown developed in opposition then we would not be in the position of having to make cuts.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Andy,
Thank you for answering my question, upping Vat and freezing Child Benefit has already disapointed me. Then it will be the turn of our disabled and edlerly.
BarryW,
Dont know why i bother asking you questions?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Barry, the wealth creating private sector - especially the small business - is said to be the "backbone of the British economy". But that backbone feels hopelessly broken at the moment. I've NEVER known the trade be quite as dead as it currently is. Ever! And I do firmly believe that this government is perhaps going a bit cut crazy, laying it all on too heavily and doing too much too soon with barely a chance for everyone to catch their breath and keep up, and the net effect of this is that private sector confidence is taking as much of a battering as the public sector and retail. Going back to my original posting, I do think this government is at risk of screwing up. Just wait until the VAT increase comes. Bye bye sales!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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rick
you are a life long blue, have confidence in what dave and nick are trying to do, it will benefit you entrepreuners in thelong run
