Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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5 October 2010
20:3973866 Just a few of My dad`s old photograph`s, they may be family or just passenger`s who used to cross the channel regularly, (we`ll never know), and were taken up top or given use of a cabin below, (unofficially I`m told). I`ve always wondered what that item looking like a generator is on the righthand side.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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5 October 2010
20:4573868My great grandfather was a sailor with the Merchant Navy, operating from Dover, where he lived, and another great granddad had a coffee shop at Western Docks, in a street that doesn't exist now.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 October 2010
20:5073869Such a shame there are so many old photos around with information about who, when or who
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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20:5173870 Another original photograph you won`t find in any books or magazine`s. I did place this on here before, via my camera as i didn`t have a scanner, but now I have, they`re alot clearer, though still of indifferent quality. The Prince of Wales pier in pre-war years, with a couple of tugs tied up. A number of these picture`s are in need of professionally cleaning if that`s possible.
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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5 October 2010
20:5473871That`s right Paul, and I`ve already got a few myself from the last 20 years to write on the backs the details. Some individuals now dead and gone. Interesting Alexander, and if you have more detail as well.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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5 October 2010
21:0673876Well one of them went by the name of Randall, another was Golder. This latter was the sailor, the former the one who ran the guest house.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 October 2010
21:4873883Quite easy to do image cleanup on Photoshop or similar - this was a quick 60 seconds
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5 October 2010
21:5673886This is one I am still working on bring back to life - need more patience !! Buckland Paper Mill Cricket Club
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5 October 2010
23:2173898Alexander - you say your great grandfather GOLDER was a mariner - I have the following in my index, not any of these was he ?
Robert GOLDER head married 34 master mariner b. Ringwould
Louisa " wife " -3? St Margaret's
Sarah " dau 4 "
Louisa C.E. " dau 3 "
Robert " son 1 "
H.B.UPTON father wid 67 post master "
Esther WHITE aunt married 55 bootmaker's wife "
Ellen ALLEN Unm 16 gen.servant Studdall
(St Margaret's at Cliffe census 1871 p.1 F51, No.1, Post Office)
Robert GOLDER head married 44 master mariner b. Ringwould
Louisa M. " wife " 48 St Margaret's
Robert " son 11 scholar "
Sarah A. " dau 14 " "
Louisa C.E. " " 13 " "
(St Margaret's Census, 1881 p.13, F54, No.70. Clifton Villa)
William Rolfe GOLDER, master of open boat "Ann" of Folkestone Port Dover. Boat for fishing, assisting ships and pleasure, built Folkestone 1829. Value £70. 24'9" x 9'8". Lug sail Rig. London and Brighton districts. Dated 1841. (Rest of info covered up)
(Boat Licence Ledger 1838 - 54, Dover Customs and Excise. Dover Museum Exhibition Oct 1992)
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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6 October 2010
11:4473905
The structure on the right of Colin's photo is the trunking for an aerial lead-in insulator. The ship's main transmitting aerial would have been strung between the foremast and the mainmast. A downlead would have been spliced part way along it to form a "T" or an inverted "L". The end would have been connected to the insulator on top of the trunking. In the photo the wire goes off to the right so it probably goes via another insulator to take the strain and/or route it to avoid the radar scanner. A copper tube will connect vertically down from the lead-in insulator into the Radio Room below where it would go to an aerial selector unit and thence to the Main or Emergency Transmitters. All this stuff is long gone from the ships of today but I was on a very old ferry some years ago, the "Stena Searider," and took the second photo above showing the monkey island on there. You can see a disused lead-in insulator on the far right of the photo, the trunking being white painted steel.
Colin's photo is probably taken from the Bridge wing looking aft at the funnel. The tall white structure behind the person in the photo, with a mast rising vertically from it, makes me suspect that this may be the S.S. "Canterbury," as seen in the third photo. This is a British Railways photo so it is post 1948 and she has been retrofitted with an early merchant ship radar. The transceiver took up a lot of room and had to have its own housing as shown. The stub mast above it has the scanner on top although it is side on in the photo so you cannot see it. The stub mast was high enough for the scanner beam to clear the funnel and not leave a blind sector astern.
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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6 October 2010
13:3173909We have a family cine film, in colour, of the Canterbury (which my dad and grandad served on) leaving Dover Eastern Docks for the last time in 1960 (I think), when she was being towed away for scrap.
A wooden name plaque from the Canterbury which we had in our family for many years is on display, along with one of the Biarritz, in Dover Museum.
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6 October 2010
13:3273911Kath, He doesn't seem to be on that list, but his first name is Arthur. I'll check out on my genealogy list to get the details, which presently is at my sister's.
I do know that another group of great grandparents married in Zion Chapel, but I never manage to find this chapel in Dover. Do you know what happened to it?
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6 October 2010
13:3473912Also, do you know where George Arthur Byford went? He's my granddad and disappeared from family history about a year after my dad was born.
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6 October 2010
13:3773913- Zion Chapel - I have this information amongst Dover churches and chapels:
Countess of Huntingdon Connexion, Zion Chapel, from 1705 ;
Biggest frontage was to Queen Street, it stood on a corner of Last Lane. Now demolished.
If there were records surviving, the E.Kent archives at Whitfield would probably be able to tell you who has the non-conformist records now, may have been in the Dover/Folkestone Circuit perhaps and held in one place.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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6 October 2010
13:4173914Thanks for that, Kath! So I know now that they were non-conformist and so-by chalenged the high up ones. Goes to show where I get my traits from. Although the George Arthur Byford I mentioned married my grandmother in Saint Mary's in the Town in Dover, so they are Church of England.
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6 October 2010
13:4373915http://www.thebeaconchurch.org.uk/urc.asp
Zion Chapel on the site of the old malthouse, at the junction of Last Lane and Queen Street, then came into existence. Apparently the small congregation of Presbyterians that had gathered around Mr. Davis had occupied the old malthouse on suffrance, and in the year 1703, the year following the death of Mr. Thomas Papillon MP, his son Philip, who was a candidate for the representation of Dover, purchased and leased the old malthouse to the Presbyterians who transformed it, without much structural alteration, into a chapel.
Theres is also mention of one somewhere in the Western Docks - not sure if this is the same as the Pentside Chapel ?
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6 October 2010
13:4473916a bit more information on Zion Chapel:
Countess of Huntingdon Connexion, Zion Chapel, from 1705 ;
Congregational Church, Zion Chapel, Queen Street from 1802
Also the Congregationalist church in Russell Street, built 1838, "Russell St Independent Chapel" opened 12 June 1838.
The Congregational Church in High Street superseded it as a regular place of worship.
(the churches at Zion Chapel and Russell Street ran side by side for some time until 1900 when they united and Baptists then took over the Zion Chapel in 1902)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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6 October 2010
13:5473918It goes to show that in those days people thought a lot more about building churches and going to church than they do nowadays. My local church is the Light-tower Church at the Castle. The one overlooking the Garden of England from High!
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6 October 2010
15:2573927A good clean up job there Paul, thanks mate. And thanks Ed, that`s solved a mystery dating back many years for me. That`s a nice lot of information there mate, I`m glad you know cos I didn`t have a clue on that one. As you say, the picture is post-war, but I wasn`t sure of the year.
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6 October 2010
15:3673929#11. Be nice to see your colour film Andy, I was down there with my dad when it was leaving for the last time, 1964 or 65 , and it was from the Western docks. I remember some other ships sounding their horns as she left, a notable one being the `Invicta`. Can`t remember whether she was being towed or not, but Ed might be able to help there.
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