Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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19 October 2009
23:3030988#1
Anyone watch panorama tonight?
showed how kids as young as 12 racially abused both physically and verbally 2 undercover muslims who went to live in Bristol in a council estate
the woman had stones thrown at her, verbal abuse, water bomb over her head, glass smashed at her feet. and threats
The man had threats, and physical attacks. and abuse.
This was not a few but quite a number of kids/adults carrying out these actions
thats todays sad society
probably not widespread but never the less unacceptable today
20 October 2009
07:1230991#2
Probably widespread, happens to minorities all the time. Muslims are the target du jour, when I was young it was the irish (I speak as onewho knows.........) Where there is inequality there will be bullying.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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20 October 2009
07:2030995#3
I saw this programme Keef and it was a total shocker. I thought we had moved on from this very basic insulting racism. But no...this was very disturbing. Trevor Phillips head of the race commission people, who is a black man himself for those who may not know...said previously that this stuff was a thing of the past. But I am amazed at how wrong a guy in his position can be, as Panorama proved him wrong last night, bigtime.
These two undercover journalists, pretending to be Asian man and wife moved into a housing estate in Bristol. The estate on the face of it looks a reasonable place, But the very next day when she went to the local shop the woman was abused...and then the next day and so on. And so it went on everyday.
An eleven year old threatened to hit her with a brick if she didnt give him £5...others said they would cut her throat. The chap in the partnership duo was just hit out of the blue..a full frontal assault for nothing at all.
This was a very dismal programme. Dismal in that even I myself thought we had moved forward from there. It must be very frightening being a dark skinned Asian. The woman journalist in the programme was actually from manchester.
Brian Dixon
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20 October 2009
07:2430996#4
caught the last 5 minutes of it,disgusting it was.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 October 2009
09:3131003#5
never saw the programme, what were the police doing about the criminal activities there?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
09:5831008#6
I didnt see it either but, yes, it is appalling. I dont think it is widespread but is certainly a problem in some areas and needs to be dealt with.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
10:1931009#7
I saw this programme and felt disgusted, the abuse, threats and physical violence against the two Asian journalists was disgusting. The brick episode, what would have happened if a neighbour hadn't come out of his house to chase the eleven year olds away?, it doesen't bear thinking about. At the end of the programme they said that 2 of the younger miscreants were joining a voluntary racial awareness programme
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
16:0431014#8
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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20 October 2009
16:3431017#9
This is the undercover woman in the programme. She was complete and total cannon fodder for the local populace in Southmead, Bristol. Everytime she went outside her door she was subjected to bullying, harrassment, and assault. Two or three days into the experiment and some young kid hit her on the back of the head with a ballooon filled with water. Others threw stones at her, and others threatened to beat her up, and some threatened to cut her throat. At the core of all this was the word Paki. It was hurled at her as part of the standard abuse so you can understand a bit more having seen this programme why the word Paki upsets dark skinned people so much...its never used with any kind of affection, only abuse of a very threatening nature.
Howard this is so widespread and happens almost the minute they go outside the door every single day, that the police just dont have the manpower to deal with it. Its impossible to deal with it. It is almost like a hobby for these racists to toy with these unfortunates.
20 October 2009
16:4331018#10
It is, in its way, good to see it being shared with so many people on the tv. It may help to make people aware of why the word Paki can be so terrifying for people. Not an over-reaction, but a response to the intimidation that often accompanies the word. Colette - 70s London and Irish - I hear you!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 October 2009
17:0131022#11
it isi not actually a racist thing on its own.
we know that any family with a handicapped child is likely to get the same treatment, if there are no other victims available.
it happens here in dover, i know of three families that suffer, none of them live anywhere each other.
the "paki" thing is just a handy excuse for the braindead rubbish to enact their violence.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
18:0031030#12
I am going to set the cat among the pidgeons here.
Lets be clear the treatment this lady was subjected to is appalling and there can be no excuses from those guilty and they should be dealt with severely.
I wonder, however, if instead the Asian women presented herself as being integrated with westernised dress, no headscarfe and so on, whether she would have suffered the same level of abuse. We know such dress is a cultural thing, rather than a religious one as many good muslims are integrated into our society.
As I say no excuses at all but it would be an interesting experiment to see if the abuse was indeed racially motivated (or to what degree it was) and to what extent it was culturally motivated.
Mind you those guilty of this must be so thick and ignorant they might not know the difference!!
20 October 2009
18:4931044#13
What the hell difference is it? Abuse someone for their dress or their skin - what difference does it make? A young "goth" girl was beaten to death a few months ago for looking different. Does it matter if that was cultural or not?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
20:2831055#14
Don't you see that causual knowledge is important. Everyone jumps to the conclusion that it is the colour of her skin that meant she was targeted by the low lives. But just how big a factor was it really and to what degree did cultural factors come into play? it is important to undestand this.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
20:5631058#15
First of all any racial motivated abuse is unacceptable.Period.However this was a TV programme that had been carefully researched in order to cause maximum effect and gain publicity.Placing the couple on a leafy laned suburb would not have had the same impact.
I have limited but reasonable experience of undercover tv programme reporters and they are not prone to always telling the truth.Careful editing and together with off camera activities sometimes are employed to 'provoke' a reaction. So we need to be careful not to jump to conclusions purely because 'we' saw it on tv. I think that most of us on this forum have said many times on various other threads.!Don't believe everything you see on TV".
I am in no way condoning any type of racial violence but just asking for a certain degree of caution to be exercised when viewing these types of undercover reports and programmes.
As a Polish descent kid of the 60's I have experienced small minded racial abuse and its none too nice.But also as an adult living in Islamic countries I have also experienced frightening attacks on my person merely for being a Westerner.
It's not an 'English' disease but worldwide.Believe it or not this country is more tolerant than most others.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 October 2009
21:0531060#16
getting back to post 9,the police have made 2 arrests today.
amazing the power of tv, wakes up the constabulary very quickly.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
21:3631062#17
You make a very good point Marek.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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20 October 2009
21:5531065#18
I do understand MAREK but these journalists were clearly shaken by the outbursts, just feel this type of behaviour cannot be tolerated.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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20 October 2009
21:5631066#19
Howard
Getting back to the original thread of "Panorama" a TV programme does it serve any 'real' purpose? or does it just incite more racial tension?. I am not sure and a couple of knee jerk arrests by the old bill does nowt to convince me of that.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 October 2009
22:0431068#20
quite agree marek, i find it amusing how arrests can suddenly be made after a tv show.
were there no cctv cameras in the areas that all this happened?
silly question as they are never monitored and when they look after the events, the pics are "too grainy".
no doubt the victims reported what was going on to their local asbo unit and got the same response as here.
