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- Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 11:49241974Thought I would make it clear there may be some politics in this thread lol
I thought at this time it would be interesting to get a debate going on forumites views on politics, The best way would be to get it started in what could amount to a number of threads could be to start on a topic and see if it developes.
I tried this a little while ago but it died a death
So lets start here see how it goes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
IN GENERAL TERMS;
Not to many on here would disagree that politics has lost it's way, there could be a number of reasons for this such as;
1; political parties (all) just don't interest the everyday person
2; the general public don't feel engaged with parties
3; not to much difference seen between the parties
4; public to busy in there own lives to bother about politics
5; people are interested in the political arena at local and/or national level but cant identify a party that relates
to there interests
So what for the future?
Well over the years we have seen so many national scandals within the house of commons which has resulted in MP's
being the least trusted people.
turn out at elections is getting lower and lower because of the above.
Well we saw moves by Kinnock at the time after years in opposition, to take on the labour party and attempt to make
it electable, he failed in the longer term, but in the shorter term his statement at the labour party conference taking on Derek Hatton and the lefties of Liverpool council at the time was sowing the seeds for labour to change to be electable.
We did see the Prime minister that never was JOHN SMITH who led the labour party and I believe would have made a great prime minister but sadly died before he was ever able to reach those dizzy heights.
Along came Mr Blair, if you read his book he was clear in direction for the country/labour party and no one was going to stop him, he made sure of that, even when it was predicted he would get a landslide victory he continued to make sure he got into number trampling on many to do so(can you ses my distaste for him lol)
without doubt he made labour electable (and for 3 terms) which at the time labour had moved so far to the left it nearly fell off the cliff lol.
In his years it wasn't all bad he did get the minimum wage/ family tax credits, which for some was a lifeline
(it maybe could have been done better, but it did help a lot of people)
then the moves for the senior citizens.
but all in all the same issues/concerns remained, the bankers/the rich/ how to live, and I suppose people expected blair to change the world, but although he did a great deal and because he moved so far towards the right he was respected by many.
What he did as no different to other govts he hoped the tidal change would remain but, like Maggie he got to up himself
and when he knew his time was up he released to brown.
Now in those years a number of small parties cropped up but few survived to make much of dent, parties like;
respect, independents, one party, and more lately BNP, UKIP etc
I think now everyone wants to see a change, but what can that change be??????????????????????????
who will pay?????????????????
On the right we have seen the distaste of the working person and public services,
on the left we have seen the cost of benefits everyone wants change but no one wants to bite the bullet.
Do we realy have any solutions???
Obviously come 2015 the conservatives will attempt to hype up the immigration issue(but they did little more than labour to solve the problem)
The bankers and high earners whether in the public or private sectors are still getting massive pay offs which in turn just switches even more people off.
I will see how this thread goes If it takes off a little I will get into debate on different issues
I was going to do this earlier but when gary c said he wanted to do the history of the mining industry I thought I would hold off, but giving it more thought I decided to start this off and see how it goes.
iv attempted not to touch the Maggie years as gary c will probably touch on that in time.
So there we go for a start
DONT EVER SAY I ALWAYS DO ONE LINERS LOLALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 12:13241978Politics IS about people, IS about communities - the natural state of the innately gregarious Human Being.
Or at least this is what Politics should be about.
Plainly KeithS, you and I are polar opposites. (In the nicest possible way.)Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 12:29241980Well we will see
how would you knowALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 12:35241982[How would I know? Leaving aside:Know what? What on this Earth is 'know'?]
I merely suggest that, if there is to be a debate, we could do worse than pick the two opposing positions of...
-Top-Down. Party and Characters. (this would be you)
-Bottom-up. People and Communities. (this would be me)Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 12:38241983why wouldn't I be bottom up and communities?ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 12:40241985i have given your post a lot of thought keith and my summing up would be yes and no.
- Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 12:41241986oh well I tried I will leave it thereALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 12:47241988You could never be 'bottom-up' Keith, for the simple reason - clearly evidenced above, that straight away you wish to talk about yourself.
Kinnock, Smith, Thatcher, Blair, Brown;you are character obsessed. Just as Starkey thinks history is all about Kings and Queens, you display your thinking as Politics as all about Party and Party Leaders. Who else but yourself or BarryW could take the Top-down stance?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 12:49241989That's not correct Tom
it was a way of getting a bit of debate
but noted howards comments
maybe will just leave it aloneALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 12:52241990I did not see your #7
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Jan Higgins
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26 August 2013 13:58241993#1......."I thought at this time it would be interesting to get a debate going on forumites views on politics, The best way would be to get it started in what could amount to a number of threads could be to start on a topic and see if it developes.
I tried this a little while ago but it died a death."
What again and didn't your Mummy tell you it is rude to repeatedly shout.
As for the rest I would advise you to go back to the one liners that went under my mental heading of too much waffle to bother with.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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26 August 2013 14:06241997That's fine
you recall A POSTER stated I only did one liners
so for a change did a longer post
you cant win really I supposeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 14:12242000"Thought I would make it clear there may be some politics in this thread"
Too much
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26 August 2013 14:19242001 @ ray, - Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 14:22242002back to one liners then sorry david/peterALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 14:36242005We could kick of with why the labour party shat all over the working class?
- Keith Sansum1
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26 August 2013 17:04242012will leave this thread
worth a try thoughALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 August 2013 18:1424201816
keith, very nearly half right - the minimum wage and working tax credits brought a lot of people out of poverty, it was only in 2004 that the betrayal took place. - 26 August 2013 18:24242020I think that the Labour Party has only ever been a set of Union Negotiators that occasionally sits at the table of power.
And with such things on the factory floor, what often happens is that this old tune is played:The ....I've got the foreman's job at last.
i.e. easily bought off.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 26 August 2013 19:28242025KeithS, politics our out.
The majority do not vote in local elections, and almost all by-elections for Parliament over the past year have seen an average 20% - or little more - turnout, except one that hit 50.1% (suspiciously).
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