Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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utter rubbish.all non smokers are anti social full stop.
Bern and Brian are right, of course.
But this isn't about smoking or no-smoking. It's about the rights and freedoms of individuals. The rights of both can be easily protected via Howards eminently sensible solution.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BRIAN;
Not all non smoking are as you state, It's realy about finding the balance between non smokers not having to have smoke blown in there face, or smoke filled rooms,
to the other side of maybe landlords deciding whether or not to be a SMOKERS pub.
I don't share the view with regard to ban killing pubs, I think price of beer might of helped that one.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kieth,both have helped to close pubs/restraunts etc.eating and drinking outside so you can have a smoke can cause serious damage to ourselves,ie,rain,frost,snow,thunderstorms and finaly those bleeding s###hawkes dumping goodness what from a great hieght.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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brian
you will its not correct.
I enjoy a meal now without some uncaring smoker lighting up before his meal, during his meal, after his meal with no regard for any one close by.
So thats a welcome change.
But that said maybe landlords could decide
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Why on earth don't smokers, do just like other drug addicts have to do in the end, just give up their habit?
There is a mass of help out there to cope with their cold turkey.
They would make a massive health gain and feel so much better for it. I simply cannot see why have have to keep sucking in this awful smoke.
It would be such a win/win situation, save a mass of money and be healthier.
I have never been able to understand smoking.
It is their choice of course and I would not dream of forcing them to stop, except where/when it poisons other people who dont indulge, (I would double the price of tobacco though!)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I had a laugh at the sea-front on Sunday: standing in front of a Rolls Royce, I noticed that the windows were lowered, and inside was an inviting packet of cigars, each wrapped and labelled. I said to my sister how funny it would be if someone put a hand in, extracted a cigar, and then stood there smoking it!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barry if everyone gave up smoking the goverment would lose some valueable tax revanue therfore have to tax non smokers on somthing.futhermore it was my choise like many others to smoke,futer more when did this country you love so much become a dictatership.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Do read what I said Brian for goodness sake.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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barry i did hence my reply.
Barry,
Like it or not mankind since it developed has chosen to get 'out of it's head' on occasion.
Originally from plants ingested one way or the other, then from alcohol.
As a teacher I tell my pupils that the most dangerous 'drug' is alcohol. I take it on occasion. It is responsible for deaths, absence from work,breakdown of relationships and on occasion death. (+ Until I did a spell-check it buggers up your typing!)
Most pupils/people think that Heroin(or its derivatives) are dangerous. They are not as long as one knows what strength one is taking. A dull life I think, an the other hand many Jazz musicians have survived on it for many years (Miles Davis for example). Withdrawal is no worse than flu - methodone a joke. (See Theodore Dalrymle - Romancing Opiates)
Yes, tobacco is bad. (I speak as a pipe smoker!). But on the scale of things that we should discourage people from doing I think it's fairly low.
Every day when I'm cycling back from the school at which I am employed part time I stop off (Unless it's pissing down) and sit on a style in the middle of the cycle route from Sandwich to Deal and contemplate 'stuff' smoking my pipe.
Right, off for a nicotine fix (which in some eyes makes me a bad person). Catch you later.......
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Barry
Please try to be a little more tolerant. Not everyone is perfect.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Andy - I assure you I was quite restrained. He should read what I said, if he did he would see how far removed his point was from what I actually said.
I suspect he stopped short before reading the full post and decided to answer what he thought I said rather respond to the full point.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barry read it in full twice.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Then why say what you did when I made a particular point in my last sentence - could you not understand plain English or do you choose to say whatever you want regardless of what is actually said?
Smokers can be a blinkered lot. Same as all addicts.
I will ring now for my bodyguards..................
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barryw,i will still stick to what i have posted.as for doulbling the price of tobacco which is a ridiculace idea.it would be like putting 3 quid on a liter and a 120 quid on your road tax to stop car owners pollutting the atmosphere.
bern,not the case of being blinkerd.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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addictions take several forms, most of us are guilty of at least one.
illegal drugs, alcohol, overeating, tobacco smoking, lack of exercise, bad diet, love of the sofa.
there would be very little need for hospitals if we indulged in any of them.
the fact is we do, i do not sit in judgement of others that indulge in something that i do not partake of.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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HOWARD
I understand in part, but smoking a little different cos it affects others close by
I am hugely fallible, Howard, as we all are. And as you say, addiction comes in many forms including behaviours as well as substance mis-uses. That doesn't mean we should simply accept them all equally, especially when they so clearly and demonstrably impact on other people. I don't think we should ban alcohol, but I don't accept the appalling behaviours that is sometimes causes in young people (and older ones as well!!). I don't want to ban smoking, but I do want it out of the way of the rest of us so that we can enjoy life and go out in peace!