Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#21
I expect this was covered ages ago on one of the many posts about DTIZ but was the land sold or long leased, not that it really matters I am just curious.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#22
#19 #21
I stand to be corrected but I believe it was sold in its entirety and all control relinquished.
Arte et Marte
Guest 2418- Registered: 14 Dec 2017
- Posts: 37
#23
Reginald Barrington wrote:Not at all, the area was a badly neglected part of Dover that contained a derelict car park, one of the countries worst eyesores, a prime flytipping site and traveller campsite, I would have happily paid more council tax to enable the regeneration of it and thankfully our council had the sense not to lumber us with the liability.
We have been neglected for so long that anything is a positive and we must never question the absurdity of it. I am off for a cuppa in Dickens Corner.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#24
good luck on that.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#25
PaulineQuick wrote:We have been neglected for so long that anything is a positive and we must never question the absurdity of it. I am off for a cuppa in Dickens Corner.
Question the absurdity of what Pauline: Not spending 53 million of Dover tax payers cash?
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#26
Don't think it was tax payers money as such Reg . I suppose we could have built a load of houses on it ,but that would not have been right for some people.It was a regeneration project.No doubt the Capt.will enlighten with his wisdom on such matters.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#27
I think your right in that money came from different sources Sue to buy up land. SEEDA were involved before they were wound down, Watty will know the full details.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#28
Had this sent into me by an avid reader of the Forum.
From the Captain -
"It's basic economics that two parties supplying a like service located close
to each other will tend towards charging similar prices."
From the Govt -
Cartels are formed when businesses agree not to compete with each other.
Cartels are unfair. They cheat customers, who end up paying more for lower
quality goods and services. That’s why they are illegal and it’s our job at the
CMA to stop them.
If you’ve witnessed or been involved in a cartel, tell us about it and help us
make markets fairer.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#29
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I think your right in that money came from different sources Sue to buy up land. SEEDA were involved before they were wound down, Watty will know the full details.
SEEDA, KCC AND DDC funded the land purchases.
Arte et Marte
Guest 2210- Registered: 16 Aug 2017
- Posts: 53
#30
I am witnessing a car parking cartel!!!! Help......
Guest 2418- Registered: 14 Dec 2017
- Posts: 37
#31
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#32
I agree that over the 20 plus years this has taken the amount of money wasted is absurd. But it is what it is the St James cinema, skate park and discount shopping zone is what we have!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#33
There have been so many stories going around over the years about why Asda pulled out.
a)Both DDC and ASDA wanted the car parking revenue.
b)Asda didn't want their newish Folkestone outlet challenged.
c)They had already planned to open a smaller outlet in Dover.
Where is the skate park Reg?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#34
The vast empty, incredibly smooth car park
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#35
Maybe not so vast.
I have always thought that it was the Morrison store opening that put asdas nose out of joint and they put the blame on the council to save face.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
#36
Land acquisition funding came predominantly from SEEDA & English Partnerships. No direct acquisition costs to Council taxpayers to my knowledge. DDC & KCC may have held some small land holdings which needed transferring to achieve development footprint.
No purchase could be undertaken without direct approval & independent vetting from the funding bodies or their successors.
The land holdings to the developer were held on a long lease.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#37
Paul Watkins wrote:No direct acquisition costs to Council taxpayers to my knowledge.
Paul is correct in as much as DDC has roughly broken even on the deal.
HOWEVER this does not take into account a c.£10 MILLION input from SEEDA & English Partnerships.
i.e.
£10 MILLION which [U]you and I paid for out of direct taxation[/U].
SO
L&G bought the site for c.£10 MILLION less than it cost!
Nice work if you can get it?
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
- Posts: 148
#38
So L&G can presumably take a reasonably laid back approach to the medium to long term success of the project? Their investment will be sound regardless of its ultimate commercial success?
If it all goes the way of the White Cliffs Experience then at least my pension fund should not be too adversely affected.
Guest 2210- Registered: 16 Aug 2017
- Posts: 53
#39
Mr Watkins could you please answer a question.
What if any input has DDC had on St James car parking charges?
Have you agreed to keep a status quo therefore as previously mentioned being none competitive?
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
#40
I'm not sure the sports centre is competing with St James for car parking custom. Each is providing parking for its own customers, so I don't see how the CMA comes into it.
(Not my real name.)