Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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Like a lot of things in this country we never get to the causes of the issue.
The usual RIGHT WING string them up brigade dosn't help nor do we have room in prisons if that was the route some want to go.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Keith, how would you deal with these dealers and pushers as it seems you do not want them imprisoned.
Lesley, my thoughts are with you and your family.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thats a 2 sided reply,
Is locking them away the best option??? not realy prisons are not a place that is drug free, and they would probably get worsethan better, and the prisons are full to bursting so we need as iv said many times before to look at the whole issue of who we lock up.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Yes imprisoning the dealers and pushers must be the best option as it gets them off the streets and stops them plying their awful trade to existing and future addicts.
Would you let any other convicted serial criminal walk the streets, the fact that prisons are full is no excuse. I agree we should be more selective with who we lock up but a potential murder in other words a dealer should be incarcerated.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 20.....Another typical `insular` correlation .....................
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thats where the debate needs to be Jan
In reality the prisons are full
so if you want to lock up users, who do you release?
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Thats where the debate needs to be Jan
In reality the prisons are full
so if you want to lock up users, who do you release?
The answer is easy, build more prisons or pack them in tighter.
I'm not for a moment suggesting Mr Penfold is a dealer or even a user, but those who make money from peddling death need dealing with firmly. Evil, greedy people have contributed to a man's death, yet the handwringers do nothing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Unfortunatly David you only get the users so if thats your way you never ever get to the actual dealers who make sure they don't get caught.
Building prisons well ok, but will it solve the problem? i m more doutful
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Terry HAS been in prison. He is having a second brain scan this morning and a decision on his life support will be made on the result of the scan.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I don't understand the first sentence Keith.
Of course it solves the problem, if they're locked up on a prison ship they cant peddle death to vulnerable people.
Keith, as usual you have no alternative or answer, just handwringing. I'm being assumptive, but somebody sold something to Mr Penfold that contributed to his death, I'd like to see these people dealt with.
Would you?
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Apologies Lesley, I wrongly assumed he had died.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
Thats rather a sad comment as i'm probably more direct and brave enough to put up with your comments,
MY point was that ok if its right to lock up the user(who remember, it wont solve the problem, it will just hide it away for a while, and at a big cost to you and me)
The main dealers are never local and they are the ones who should be caught and severely dealt with
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Thats where the debate needs to be Jan
In reality the prisons are full
so if you want to lock up users, who do you release?
There is a big difference between users who are at the bottom of the chain and dealers or pushers who keep the trade going in order to line their very deep pockets.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith, please refrain from twisting my words, as others have pointed out its pointless talking to you.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Do you realise that some of the worst death peddalers in the district are already known to the police? They, for reasons unknown to me, seem to be allowed to continue to trade under the noses of the law. I was once told by a Police Supintendant, that they are not interested in the small local dealers and need to concentrate their resources on the big boys, begging the question who picks up the pieces of their neglect? Crime, antisocial behaviour, hospital treatment, prison, rehab..... all cost this country a fortune. My Nan always taught me to work bottom up, not top down.
What price a life?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 12....having been to Saudi Arabia many,many times I can assure you you would not want to live in such a regime........
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Lesley I'll tell you a true story.
A couple of years back I was in a local pub with some friends, one a policeman, a well known dealer was in there too, everybody, including my policeman friend was aware of who/what he was.
Its all a complete mystery to me.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think keith is right, the main players will never be caught - tracks always covered.
lock up as many small dealers as we like and other gullible, jobless and probably unemployable chaps/chapesses will spring up to take their place.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Yeah why bother at all Howard
Guest 878- Registered: 8 Feb 2013
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Legalising something that is currently illegal (like drug dealing) because the fight against it is a lost or losing one, is like saying let's legalise burglary, rape or child abuse - we're not winning those fights either.
Roger
The crimes are totally different and you must know it. Even dealing. Plus, if the drugs themselves were legalised, there would be no dealers. That's the whole point of the argument.
jamierose