Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#21
Yes tom
Because if in a coalition ukip would demand, and get withdrawal from the EU
This in itself would help the working man
Tom, Do you and Keith s remember when labour left of the party never wonted to be in the EU Before new labour??
They under stood it would become a vehicle for the rich to plunder Europe and set the poor agents' the poor in a race to the bottom of the wage market
Keith Sansum1
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#22
without doubt clegg will go that route as he probably wouldn't hold his seat
lib dems would have to re group
farrage doing a deal with tories the electorate will watch that closely
and that would lose him votes, no wonder hes not shouting about it
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#23
Keith...I remember when my hair would get blown into my eyes...and take an age to wash & dry.
I agree with you;-
-The EEC was never all that it was cracked-up to be.
-The Political Process of morphing the EEC into the EU and into its present state and the setting out of its future path all took place with the encouragement and assistance of all the major Political Partys, pushed along by self-interested groups with the ear of Government, and the cash-clout, to work their mysterious ways behind the scenes.
I agree, that a sea-change is threatening the 'Establishment', the 'institutions-various', both of-old and those more recently created within the EU.
BUT!!!!!
UKIP is but a wolf in the fold, attired in an ill-fitting fleece. A mere diversionary tactic.
[Just in case I'm sounding a mite too agreeable...]
If it were not for the undoubted attraction of UKIP's firm stance against immigration and immigrants, the Green Party would fulfil many of the wishes of those in the UK who feel that the non-rich are getting too much of the rough end of the stick.
Alas, they too are too timid to strike out to form the next Government, and anybody's plan that limits itself to claim kudos for supposed success and shirks all possible blame for failure, to be a thug's hanger-on, will be unable to stir the Voter to assist in driving on in line with the changes, and will merely abet the Established Partys to have us slide ever backwards. And even if this was to bring back my locks, I would have to decline the offer.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#24
Tom
good job you are seeing the real picture
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#25
ukip is a side issue over staying in or leaving, they have merely been a rallying point over the effects of wages and public services on the less well off in our society.
the former people's party are completely out of touch with their traditional support, hence the attraction of ukip.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#26
Like you say howard
just a protest body
already at county showed there no different to the rest
sold out at the first meeting
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#27
All the old parties are in decline because of there arrogance to there core voters
This coupled with 50 % of people choosing not to vote,
this country is ripe for new politicks.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#28
your right keithb
sadly that's not UKIP
Who at local level showed on allowances thet voted for higher allowances selling out the electorate
and now farrage cosying up to tories no one can trust UKIP
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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#29
You know all about selling out,Keith S...I was talking to a Labour Councillor the other day..I know the real reason why you are against Deluded Clair and your old comrades!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#30
you must tell me more peter
I have no idea what you refer to
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#31
Ah Mr. Ripley, when spite turns to cynicism we'll know we have made a UKIP politician out of you.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#32
Peter, the local Labour Party has a history of turning on its former loyal members and blackening their names with half-truths and innuendo. Keith was on the receiving end, so was Reg, and now the knives are out for Sue. Don't believe everything you have been told, there is more than one version of the 'truth' out there.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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#33
Peter G, the local Labour Party are a selfish,self serving bunch..In all the posts on this Forum by Keith S I have yet to see any valid arguments,rational proposals or positive remarks..In one post about Deal Carnival,Keith S argued with Howard Mc whether there should be 2 Carnival Queens or One Queen,is this possible self promotion by Keith S ? I read the other posts by Forumnites some I agree with,some I dont agree with..At least they try to formulate positive policies for their fellow man and care about our community..All I get from Keith S posts are one liner negative,selfish rants..This Forum is losing its way because of this..Does Keith S care about our community or is it just self obsession with Keith S?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#34
Peter, Keith is incapable of forming an opinion, his default setting is to deride tory/ukip without ever offering an alternative.
Take this thread, he has nothing to say about the topic he just bleats on about expenses.
Its what politicians do, 90% are a waste of space
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#35
Nigel Farage: town halls are key to Ukip surge
"Nigel Farage has pledged to follow the example of Paddy Ashdown and to establish "clusters of councillors" around the country elected on the challenging first-past-the-post system as a first step to winning parliamentary seats at future general elections.
In a Guardian interview, the Ukip leader said people would vote for the "real thing" on Europe and immigration rather than support David Cameron who is occupying "our turf" under the influence of the Tory strategist Lynton Crosby.
Farage admitted that his party is experiencing something of a "lull" but insisted that it was on course to win next year's European parliamentary elections and to deepen its presence in council chambers...
...He endorsed an idea proposed by party deputy leader Godfrey Bloom that the party could buy policies from centre right thinktanks. "Why not?" Farage asked. "If somebody else out there has produced brilliant research, has got a lot more money to do this stuff then when [journalists] ask me a question about our economic policy I say: that is our policy but look who else agrees with it. ".."
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#36
not sure of the reasoning behind winning clusters of council seats leading to parliamentary seats, all the indications are that the best ukip could do is finish second in many ina general election . i would expect them to do very well in next year's european elections.
Brian Dixon
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#37
whats this sending more clowns to Europe,havent got enough ukip clowns there already.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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#38
Brian D,post# 33 reference negative oneliners applies to you too.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#39
peter,not being a ukip supporter myself,and after seeing mr farage antics in Europe.you wonder why people make negative posts.where as I saw it as a positive remark.if my one liners offend you don't read them,but saying that I could say the same thing about your posts on soicalists.ok mate
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#40
Inflation has killed the minimum wage, says its chief architect Sir George Bain
Professor Sir George Bain says the value of minimum wage has fallen because it hasn't kept
pace with inflation
The national minimum wage is no longer working because its value has fallen, one of its key
architects said as a new study showed it could be worth less in 2017 than it was in 2004.
The landmark measure, introduced by the Blair government 15 years ago this week, has
dropped in value in real terms in the past five years after being pegged to wages, which have
not kept pace with inflation.
Professor Sir George Bain, the first chairman of the Low Pay Commission which recommends
the level of the minimum wage each year, told The Independent a "fresh approach" is needed
because it is not addressing today's problems. He believes the priority is to help the 3.6 million
people who are above the legal minimum but below the "living wage" needed for a basic
standard of living. That is paid voluntarily by about 250 employers and is worth £7.45 an hour
, or £8.55 an hour in London.