18 October 2008
11:467737Anyone any suggestions for the Stocks.....?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 October 2008
11:577739Take some beef or chicken bones..place in a pressure cooker surrounded by pots,carrots onions or any old root veg add water and season and simmer for an hour or so.Remove bones......etc..from Gordon Oliver Craddock On the Wirral hypen Thompson..
Marek
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18 October 2008
12:187740I totally support the prosecution and yes the parents should be expected to cover the cost of the clean up as part of the punishment.
There is an important point here though. It was found in New York that by the police clamping down on minor offenses it had an impact on major crime. This was the 'zero' tolerance approach that helped turn NY around from one of the most crime ridden cities to one of the safest. It does not necessarily produce an instant result but by not letting a child, youth or qadult get away with something minor it often stops them graduating up the scale of crime.
Harry - you must now be very grateful to your dad for what did for you, clearly a wise man from who you have beneffited.
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18 October 2008
15:377749Barry
I think its called 'Zero Tolerance' a policy that has a lot in its favour.If you let the lesser crimes go unpunished what sort of message is this sending out to the younger generation.Does it then lead them to believe "they" can get away with anything.Its a difficult question but all I can say is that it worked in New York and in the North East of England.
Marek
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Brian Dixon
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18 October 2008
19:007753its all down to the police to implement it or not.shame really somthing needs to be done about this low level crime sooner rather than later.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 October 2008
19:357757interesting that most posters go for the "nip it in the bud" philosophy.
it seems obvious to most of our population that if children are pulled up on things early on, they are less likely to graduate on to bigger things.
i doubt if our political parties or police will ever go for it though.
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18 October 2008
19:477759You certainly got that right H.
Not at all like the old days.
Smack on the wrist and don't do it again
GIVE US BACK THE OLD VALUES......it will never happen.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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18 October 2008
19:507760only by constant peer pressure will it happen.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 October 2008
20:517761How about p*llocks like this that vandalise an ancient monument, get caught red handed, 'pose' for a picture with tools in hand and are then not charged for doing the damage ?????
Been nice knowing you :)
18 October 2008
20:527762These posts make so much sense - the "nip it in the bud" approach, as you say, clearly works!!! If children don't learn their boundaries early it is way more difficult to teach and enforce them later. The end result? A bunch of mini-psychopaths! And I don't think kids actually, really want to be allowed to get away with it - most of them, even the little toerags, would at heart prefer to please Mum and Dad and gain approval.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 October 2008
21:037765bern
you are right there, kids are not happier being feral.
boundaries are important, how on earth are they going to get on when they get old enough for a job.
i do wish paul had not published that pic, it will wind me up for the rest of the evening.
i can just imagine that pair saying to someone, "you can't do nuffink to me".
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 October 2008
21:057766"i can just imagine that pair saying to someone, "you can't do nuffink to me"."
That's not the problem, they stood and waited like startled rabbits and admit they did it to the police !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Been nice knowing you :)
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18 October 2008
22:007767That is the western hights I myself have stoped them some time ago, it might not be the same ones,
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19 October 2008
01:347770Vic, I have stopped kids smoking on buses, told them off for being rude and obstructive in the streets and told them to behave themselves in public places. I have usually been greeted by abuse and felt like Victor Meldrew doing it, but I still do. However none of it will make any difference until officialdom enforces penalties for wrong habits. in a society that would consider banning smacking and forbids police from touching people, where the parents of hooligans are more likely to sue than reprimand and judges give sentances that avoid even prison because they do not want to strain the system or offend anyone there is no end in sight other than anarchy.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
19 October 2008
08:527771It so often seems to me that many of the kids are just waiting and wanting to be stopped and given their boundaries - we, the police etc etc, are failing them and future generations if we don't do so. That old saying "cruel to be kind" has basis in truth. I'm not advocating cruelty, just nice firm boundaries and some consequences. Like you, Chris, I have mildly rebuked kids, made reasonable requests, mildly challenged, most often to be met with abuse. That pair who nearly ran me over on their bikes (only about 11 years old) in Nettos car park responded to my very mild "hello" with a torrent of abuse. I jumped in the car and chased them (noit too fast!!) to the side of B&Q where they cycled off down the path there. Clearly I had no punishment in mind (!) but wanted to alert them to consequences!!!!! I think I may have been perceived as the one at fault by the authorities if spotted, and that's where the problem lies. I suspect the little monkeys complained to their Mum about the scary lady chasing them.............
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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19 October 2008
10:037776if the police are not aload to touch you why can they get away with cuffing you?.and with todays sue,sue culture what has this world come to.
Ross Miller
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19 October 2008
10:107777I do likewise Chris and Bern.
I scared the living daylights out of two 11/12 yr olds the other day when the left their empty drinks cans on my railings; I stormed down the street calling after them; handed them the cans and pointed out that there was a rubbish bin another 10yards down the road. They took the can and stood there like a pair of goldfish unable to say anything as I think they were so shocked someone had pulled them up on it.
I fairly regularly point out to litterers that they have dropped something and where the bin is.
The other one that really winds me up, particularly as I cycle regularly myself, is cyclists on the pavement. My response to this is to refuse to get out their way, forcing them to either follow me at my walking pace, or go on to the road, or if they are coming towards me stop as they cannot go round me without going into oncoming traffic. This is then my chance to point out to them that the pavement is for pedestrians etc. I suspect they think I am some sort of grumpy middle aged man od some sort of nutter but hey I make my point.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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19 October 2008
21:197786The damage to the fountain has to be paid for and that child needs to know that and punishment to go with it.
sadly society has changed big time, and will take a long time(if ever) to go back to the days where kids are taught right from wrong.
a good example of this.
I saw a boy of about 4 climbing a high wall outside a library, I told the boy to get down cos if he fell it was a long drop and he would hurt himself. his mother who was not even facing him when he was climbing so wouldnt have known he had fallen had he done so, told me to mind my own business, only SHE will tell her son not to climb if that was what she wanted, I did say well had you done so it could have saved me the bother.
But how stupid, trying to help a child from not getting hurt and you get that kind of reply
what hope do we have
to many do gooders these days
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20 October 2008
01:467792That sounds more like extremely irresponsible parenting than do-gooding to me Keith.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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20 October 2008
21:367821phil
sadly its a bit of both and just shows the society we asre now in.
unless right from wrong is taught and respect comes back we are in an uphill battle
its years away to get a result(if ever)
by the way there are to many do gooders around
