Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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2 September 2008
10:035586Supporters of the headgear claim that the animals used are not killed for their fur but are roadkill or culled animals. A website purporting to be "an historical encyclopedia of the land forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth" claims that Inuit hunters cull 40,000 brown bears annually out of a population of more than a million
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 September 2008
12:215591Marek. Its actually grizzlies that are used, not brown bears, at least according to the Soldier magazine and that is a pretty authorative article, they are from the very north of Canada. They are all culled animals so that part is fully consistent with the information I have but I cannot imagine huge grizzlies being road kills! Dont know how big brown bears are though I understand they are smaller than the grizzlies!
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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2 September 2008
12:425592Just as well they are not involved in Arctic Warfare and using polar bears. This is an email I received from my sister-in-law in Canada last week. Warning: people of a nervous disposition should read no further.
Polar Bear Attack
These are pictures of an actual polar bear attack on a hiker above
Mosinee, Canada last summer.
These pictures were taken while people watched and could do nothing
to stop the attack.
Reports from the local newspaper say that the victim should make a
full recovery.
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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2 September 2008
17:005596BARRYW
Soft pampered world , how dare you
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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2 September 2008
18:145598Ed, being somewhat of a fan of polar bears I loved the pictures.
Back on topic, I am not sure where Barry is getting the information on so-called culling but it would pay to be suspicious. The Japanese try to maintain that culling of whales is neccessary (for their dinner plates) and Canadian authorities have often claimed a need to 'cull' seal cubs (then the pelts end up on the market). Fox hunters still try to claim it is neccessary to control numbers even though they have been proved to have bred them for hunts in some areas. An American SF writer once satarised the whole situation in a novel called 'Little Fuzzy' in which settlers on a planet tried to convince the authorities that the natives of the mineral rich planet were not sentient because they were furry. Culling is too often a poor excuse for hunting and commerce.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
2 September 2008
18:575599Good book Chris - and a good posting! The Polar Bear pictures are charming, by the way, Ed.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 September 2008
20:295604I have been digging further and most of these bears are indeed culled by indiginous peoples, the Inuit. The money goes to them to help them retain their traditional ways and help with a range of conservation projects. Sometimes they cull those bears that have become a threat to human life, usually because idiots in camp sites feed them and attract them in.
So if PETA want to cut off a source of revenue that helps natives maintain a traditional lifestyle and conserve their environment then that says a lot about them.
Most of these PETA people and many of us in the, yes, Keith, soft pampered west, simply have no idea of the reality of life in these wild regions of the world.
I found the following post on the Telegraph that very much sums up my view of these so called animal rights idiots...
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"Animal rights" stands for a completely perverse and confused view of the world and man's place in it. To credit its adherents even with the slightest hint of political ideology is to profoundly overestimate their intellect. The whole thing is based on pseudo-science (gleaned from TV documentaries) and an hysterically emotional attitude to the natural order (or what animal lovers would like it to be). Unfortunately, much of this has to do with the "feminisation" of public and political debate where emotions have become dominant over reason. Time for a robust and uncompromising rebuttal of this nonsense from the forces of reason.
Posted by Alex Koller on September 1, 2008 11:04 AM - Daily Telegraph On-Line.
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2 September 2008
20:485605It must be right, then - it's in print............
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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2 September 2008
22:205607As far as preserving the 'traditional ways' of the Inuit goes, just how 'traditional are snowmobiles and hunting rifles. In Pakistan three girls were horrifically murdered for not going into arranged marriages and yet a member of their new coalition government described the murders as a local tradition that he would defend. Tradition tends to be whatever is convenient at the time and it is to be hoped that we should all be growing more civilised as time goes on rather than tying ourselves down to outdated traditions. Of course I could be wrong and we can look forward to the return of sun worship and human sacrifice.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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2 September 2008
22:585608I';m now a very worried man, I support the views of those given out on this subject by our CHRIS p.
what is the world coming to ?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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3 September 2008
06:565610I love those pictures too from Ed...very telling in a way.
I too drew the comparison as mentioned by Chris with regard to Japanese whaling. It very much depends who is telling who about the benefits of such culling/killing. The Japanese are still huge supporters of whaling and seek every opportunity to turn over world opinion on it...if we were to read a printed document from them for example on the benefits of whaling we too might scratch our heads and wonder. In reality the whole world wants whales left in peace.No doubt there could be some side benefits from whaling in terms of products or foods but we can live without them.
Likewise with Bearskin hats.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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3 September 2008
07:375618Paulb
Have\ to share your view paul, but BAZ does come from another angle, he wouldn't worry to much about animal cruelty IE fox hunting being a good example( sorry sport??)
so when you come from that kind of background, thats why you need far more info from this before making your mind up.
At least it wasnt the telegraph this time!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2008
09:165624I dont agree with animal cruelty Keith but I have simply a more worldly view of hunting/shooting/fishing issues.
Tradition, Chris cannot be dismissed that easily though many like you and Blair would love to do so. Traditions are close to the heart of many people and are part of the glue that holds a society together.
It is very important, extremely important in fact, to the Armed Forces, for good reasons. When on the frontline it is true that a soldier is fighting more for themselves and their mates than for Queen and Country. But overlying that is a pride in their Regiment and its history, they want to live up to their previous generations and are inspired by them.
The Brigade of Guards won the right to the bearskins in battle on the field at Waterloo in the defeat of Napoleon's Imperial Guard. Todays generation are proud of that. Try going to Purbright (I think it is), stand in the parade ground and tell them that they have to wear some twee artificial creation of Westwood instead. You would get a well deserved bayonet lodged in a certain part of your anatomy that will prevent you from sitting down.
If you dont believe me go to the Army Rumour Service (ARRSE) website to see what the soldiers themselves are saying about it.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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3 September 2008
19:075632I do not dismiss tradition but I do keep aware that traditiond change over time. Would those same soldiers wish to go without flak jackets because 'tradition' sends them out in a smart uniform? Everything adapts as we get more informed, more aware and, hopefully, more civilised.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2008
19:455633oaul raises the subject of japanese whaling.
they do it for "scientific" purposes.
they must have some large laboratories to fot them into.
i shudder to think of the size of the test tubes.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 September 2008
20:405634This is a true story, I was out in Canada with the army in 1961 and we were camp in a very big wood and i was told to walk around the camp to see if all was Ok.
WEll it was dark and I saw someone by a tree so thinking no more about it I went up to him put my gun in his back and asked him what he was doing
but it was not a person it was a very big Grizzlies bear
I just turn round a run for it with him coming after me I run pass a tent shouted out bear behind me, next thing this bear run into the side of the tent but did not stop runing after me, the two men in the tent was also on the run by now thank goodness there was alot of trees and I got awayn but it was big well of 7ft high and if it had not been for the trees I would not be telling you now about
.it
Vic Matcham
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2008
22:215636Nice one Vic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2008
22:275637it may have been a very nice grizzly bear victor, if you had taken the trouble to engage with it.
one should never judge by first impressions.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 September 2008
16:355650If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 September 2008
19:455659Thank all for that and just to let you know it is my birthday in the morning it will last for 24hrs I know I WILL BE GETING CARDS FROM YOU ALL
The full story of the bear will be next in line on my life story.
Vic M
