Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Rumours are flying around Westminster as I write, that a deal has been agreed by Conservatives and Libdems.
They are saying Confidence and Supply plus... in other words stopping short of a full coalition. That means, as I said before, almost certainly another election within a year.
If the details of the deal are announced before I go to my Hellfire Corner meeting tonight I will post them here and we can use this thread to discuss them properly as up to now there has been odd speculation over several threads on this and we can bring this discussion together.
If, of course, I am out of contact when the details are announced perhaps someone else could post them....
No sooner posted this than another rumour that a finalised deal is still not ready... what on earth is going on?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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There is a staunch Tory on our frontpage at the moment called Stephen from River who is expressing much disgruntlement, he clearly does not like any deal with the LibDems. I imagine a great many of the Tory rank and file feel the same way. There they were just a short time ago, fighting tooth and nail with the LibDems at various locations around the country, and expressing very large differences over Europe, over the voting situation, over immigration, and much more, and here they are doing a deal. Its bizarre. How will it work. The gaps appear too wide.
The more natural bedfellows, a coming together which seemed to be on the cards all along, were Labour and Libdems. They seem to have much more in common however it appears Clegg does not want to prop up the ailing Gordon Brown, at least thats how we stand right now.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No-one will like a deal, I certainly do not, but the cards have been dealt and during a war and an unprecedented financial crisis we must make the most of them and act in the national interests of the UK.
We will have to see the details of any deal before jumping to conclusions There are red lines that if crossed would anger the Tory faithful more than anything, the EU, PR, immigration and defence in particular.
On the positive side this can be turned to the benefit of both the country and the Conservative Party in the longer term but for now I expect we will just have to hold our noses. Many of us have even greater dislike for the Libdems than for Labour. Not sure that I am one of them but the Libdems certainly have an even loonier fringe than Labour have.
I keep hearing about a new election but what is the point? People have voted for their MP. Maybe based upon national issues but essentially it is a local vote. If we had another election tomorrow - do we seriously think that it would all change. After all how did Harriet Harman get voted in again!! ... and a few others we could name.
Maybe how the leaders behave in the next few days will show the public what is REALLY the attitude but it wont change the national picture that much. Elections cost the country a fortune - directly and indirectly.
Perhaps we should try and work out a stable solution with what we have - or end up like Italy.
D
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Just heard Gordon Brown on the radio .He has offered to resign so talks can go ahead with Labour and the Lib Dems .
Dear me Nick Clegg what are you doing .I donot understand why David Cameron did not form a minority government .
We dont want another five years of Labour policies .
Look like it might be all colours of the Rainbow .
labour will not listen to the liberals once they regain power .
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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David - look at history. We have instability in parliament and that will only be resolved by another election. It will happen with a year. The whole idea of a hung parliament is being discredited as we watch events unfold.
Sue - DC cannot just go ahead with Brown squatting, he has to resign and advise the Queen to call for DC.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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We have had a game changer with Brown who has demonstrated an utter contempt for the electorate.
If Nick Clegg goes for Labours offer and this rainbow coalition of Labour, Lib Dems and a few independents or nationalists collapses, as it most certainly will, within no more than a few months, the Liberals will suffer serious consequences.
To get a deal with the nationalists the government would have to promise not to make cuts in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. That means all the massive cuts needed to satisfy the markets will all fall on England. Fine for Brown as I am sure as he would love to punish the English for voting Conservative but they will really stitch us up.
The markets will react badly to this as well..... it will damage the economy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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susan is right, her two favourite parties should have struck a deal by now.
barry
i saw david cameron on the box in ulster last week, he was promising great wads of money for the province.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I would like to see the context of that statement Howard.
An interesting viewpoint that mirrors what I have said but phrased better than I have.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5988033/the-best-possible-news-for-the-tories.thtmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
just spotted your comments about brown squatting in downing street.
he cannot resign, the queen would reject his resignation, there is no alternative prime minister yet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Constitutionally there is Howard. Cameron commands the most votes in the Commons and falls only a little way short of a majority. Brown can resign and recommend to HMQ that DC should be invited to form a minority Government.
Brian Dixon
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what a load of waffle,brown has done the right thing.know the lib/dems are talking to labour.lets hope somthing posative comes out of this.
DC should keep his powder dry. It is clear ther LibDems are desperate for a deal to get some sway over decisions affecting the country and Labour are desperate to hang on to power, hence today's manoevre.
But, Gordie falling on his sword, eventually, will just give us yet another Labour leader who did not lead his party to election victory. I'm beginning to lose count, Ken Livingston, Gordon Brown, who will be the third?
Those of the Harman ilk probably retained their seats due to them being uber-safe in the first place. And beware what we say, she may be the next Labour leader!!!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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dc is the desperate one here sid,he is so hungry to get into no.10 he will bend over backwards to apeace clegg and co.
In your dreams Brian. You're beginning to sound like all the other desperate Labour supporters. I personally hope the LibDems and Labour do a deal as the voting public will never forgive them for it. At the next GE there will be a bloodbath as both party's candidates get swept away by a disapproving public. Bring it on, sooner the better.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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me dreaming,well thats a first.you could see dc was and still is desperate to get into no.10.you just needed to look at his body talk to see it.as i see it he has no street credability at all,he is allso out of touch with grass roots joe public.
But you would say that, wouldn't you. I think you'll find Cleggy and DC strike a better chord with the younger voters than Gordie. Nothing against the vile Jock, but ageing is something none of us can defy, that's why Mr Orange quit when he did.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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sid,only time will tell which side of the fence clegg will drop into.but be prepared to be dissapointed on all fronts.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sid
when did ken livingstone led the reds?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sid
do you think the term "vile jock" is responsible?