Brian Dixon
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3 December 2008
18:4710225barry w if you are talking about sovereignity ie the queen the belgium and dutch have royalty.on the other hand if you think loseing the pound means giving up to brussels or germanys banks.then answer me this question why have all those countrys have there banks such as the bunders bank etc why are there goverments running there own countrys and why are they doing better than us.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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3 December 2008
19:1710227And which Conservative led papers or sites did the response come from Barry, I am sure UKIP want to know?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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3 December 2008
21:5710256My response was direct from me Chris, if I was to quote someone else I have always credited it.
Brian - The reason we are doing so much worse than all the rest is down entirely to Gordon Brown's mismanagement of our finances. His excessive borrowing etc, etc etc. I have covered his many misjudgments repeatedly. Then of course we have the recent emergency budget that is seriously misfiring already. Darling has already said his measures will not work!!! The VAT reduction will barely have an impact, his tax rises just as the economy starts to recover threatens a double dip. The Gilt market, where Brown is having to raise his extra dosh, is demanding a bigger premium and based on that HMG is considered a biggest default risk than Unilever!
As for the Eurozone, they are all having to work within parameters laid down by the EU, with interest rate policy being set by Frankfurt for all Eurozone members. That means rates do not meet the needs of all Euro members and that is one reason the Euro is threatened with collapse.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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3 December 2008
22:3110262now now barry w not forgeting thatchers and majors blunders as well.frankfurt may set intrest rates but how many adhere to them.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 December 2008
23:3410271Brian - Franfurt sets a 'base rate' for the whole eurozone (in exactly the same way as the BoE for the UK) whether it suits that country or not. It is not a matter for individual countries within the Euro. The individual countries themselves control fiscal (tax) and borrowing/spending policies with borrowing supposed to be kept within limits set by the EU. This centralised setting of interest rates at any one time does not suit all the members of the zone and that causes pressures and problems that are threatening to tear the Euro apart.
It would be even worse for the UK because we have a very different type of economy with much greater home ownership and many more small businesses. Major did indeed blunder by taking us into EMU which was the forerunner of the Euro (urged by the CBI/Trade Unions/Liberals/Labour and most of the press) and as a result our economy suffered badly until 'Black Wednesday' when we left it and that was the start of a recovery.
Right now though it is not Major's blunder that is impacting on our economic problems its the even greater disaster that Gordon Brown has brought about. Make no mistake the recession just started will be much deeper and more damaging that then, all the signs are pointing to it.
I remember 1979 very well and the utter mess that Mrs T inherited from Labour then. It was the economic disaster they left her which was the real cause of the high unemployment of the early 19980's but she managed to turn it around. Sadly Labour once again have created an economic mess that will take a Conservative Government to put right.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 December 2008
23:4810276sadly barry is right in his first 2 paragraphs.
the members of the euro are hamstrung by interest rates set by the central bank, each member state goes through different economic phases.
a lot of countries in the eurozone have a great majority of citizens living in rented property and employed by multinationals.
in the uk we are completely different to the above.
one size does not fit all.
the 2 major parties differ on attitude to the euro, but at the end of the day, neither will stand up to the bundesbank.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
09:3410293i have been keeping my eye on the exchange rates lately,with the euro standing at almost equell with the pound has made things diffacult to the traverler and buisness man alike,with this in mind it well end up with the euro being worth more than the pound,which will make goods from main land europe dearer than they are know.
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4 December 2008
09:4510295Having just got back from a long weekend in France, I can confirm that yes this is a problem at the moment, Brian. But it works both ways and the exchange rate merely reflects the current economy relative to Europe. It does make things easier for our exporters though and that has to be positive in business. Remember that we trade with the whole world not only the Euro region, joining the Euro is no magical cure,far from it, it will merely serve up more and much bigger problems.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
21:0910363it will come sooner or later,once the mps have been talked round and the drops to next to nothing then full steam ahead in we go.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
21:5310367brian
why do you think that the pound will drop to nothing?
experience shows that fluctuations occur in a cyclical manner.
we have had a few years of 2 dollars to the pound, which actually hurt dover, people were coming off of the cruise ship for the day looking at the prices of things in our shops and not buying.
this coming tourist season they will see our town as a bit of an aladdins cave and hopefully shell out some dosh here.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
21:5310368brian
why do you think that the pound will drop to nothing?
experience shows that fluctuations occur in a cyclical manner.
we have had a few years of 2 dollars to the pound, which actually hurt dover, people were coming off of the cruise ship for the day looking at the prices of things in our shops and not buying.
this coming tourist season they will see our town as a bit of an aladdins cave and hopefully shell out some dosh here.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
22:1110372howard if your talking cruise ships thats exactly what they do ship them out to other plases so dover dosent benifit anyway.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2008
22:4910373brian
that is probably the majority, we still have enough come into the town or up to the castle.
very important to the town centre.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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5 December 2008
09:5810391the castle has nothing to do with the town center,they are bused up there and bused back to the cruise ship[s] where does the town center benifit.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 December 2008
17:5410429brian
as i said in my previous post there are still plenty that come into town.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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5 December 2008
18:3010434show me next time a cruise ship is in,all i see are crew who are poorly paid and dont spend much in town.
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6 December 2008
07:3610463This has gone right off topic now, but the crew of the cruise ships do spend quite a lot in Town - on electrical and other goods, mostly from Argos. They also visit a number of historic sites here, but get free passes.
If you want to talk about tourism and cruise ship passengers, I'll be happy to, but on the (or an) appropriate thread.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 December 2008
15:0310487roger exatly the crew spend in the town passengers dont,untill they do this town will stay poor.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 December 2008
17:3410494Some pssengers manage to find their way into Town, some are brought here by bus, direct from the Cruise terminal to the Market Square. Dave Atkins, one of the Directiors or Trustees at the Transport Museum, has four buses to bring them here.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 December 2008
19:4610502thanks for that roger but would like to see them used more often to bring more into town.getting back to the euro i would like to see more continantals in town as well spending there euros in town.that is if more shops asepted them.