Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Sorry Howard the only Youth Shelter I have known in my 3and a half years is the one that Walmer Parish Council built at Marke Wood in Deal,walmer is of course not full of hardcore Socialists.
On the Art front I have put on 2 shows in the Town Hall,The Richard Digance Show and Dover's Got Young Talent,and I know Richard is working on other things.The Richard Digance Show pulled in people from Thanet and Folkestone as well as Dover at a cost of £10 or £15.The Dovers Got Young Talent was £5 and supported by Dover Town Council at £5 and was a complete sell out,but a show like those cost between £1000 and £2000 to put on at the Town Hall.But getting your message over to the people of Dover and getting them to support your shows is hard.We have some excellent talent in the Town,of course Dover born now Deal Living Keiran Gaffney came third in Britain's Got Talent.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Have a look at these I took in 2006 of the sad state of the place inside - beyond help I think, but Wetherspoons idea of retaining the fascade would have been a nice compromise
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast/sets/72157594331462316/with/271578122/Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for info jhg, i thought that youth shelters were more of a blue than a red thing.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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I, like Sid, happen to be believe the basic idea behind Alexander's post is reasonably sound, but I think to jump from making good a crumbling building to a UKIP political broadcast in one sentence was wide of the mark. UKIP is basically a one issue party and to deflect from that issue is, in my humble opinion, to turn people's attention away from the UKIP message of getting Great Britain out of Europe.
It's too easy to get sidetracked in local issues, but ultimately they're not UKIP's message; whilst local issues are important, I believe that if UKIP is to be a credible force in politics, we must concentrate on what UKIP is all about. That's not to say we can't try to get local councillors elected, for example Vic whose commitment is very much against the sale of the Port; however, for the sake of credibility in the eyes of the voters, it's important to remain focussed on what UKIP voters want to se us campaignng on.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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...and yet again a serious apolitical discussion about how all the agencies 'running' the town should pull together for Dover's general betterment/recovery/regeneration threatens to descend into silly political sideswipes. Let's keep on topic, please - Jeeesus!!
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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Not you, Andy Cooper, by the way! You talk sense mate.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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A good point Ross On affordable plans to attract employers! I Ihave a few to attract emploees, which are in line with UKIP policy, and these include providing training for young local people to enter work in the factories that are physically prsent in the Dover area, such as Tilmanstone Salads and the London Factory Box, or Fancy Box. It would imply the participation of the managers of such sites to offer a chance to local young people to look around on a guided tour withing the premises at a set hour pre-arranged by the managers and those accompanying the would-be employees, so these can see how the work functions, and, for those who would like to give it a try, to start on a one week trial period, even part-time. However... this implies a head-on crash with e.u. policies, with dioscrimination etc. accusations, as it would come under preferentialism, and I just don't fancy starting a new outcry concerning this topic here and now, many are fed up with it, however, it IS part of our party policy to think of our own citizens first.
Another plan to attract both employers and emplyees is to reintroduce lost production, such as the textiles industry, to Britain, including shoe-making and what not all (and Pears soap) and many others, and this would imply training people (local people) to work in these knew factories. Dover could receive one or two or even more such sites, as could Deal, and thousands more new factories would spring up all over Britain. That what New Labour flung out on good productivity, we of the UKIP intend getting back.
Ross, if these ideas seem alright to you, and you agree that the mainstream parties do not intend doing anything along that road, have you considered joining the UKIP?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Thanks Kath! And Sid too, and PaulB. Nice to know that the idea of a theatre-concert hall in Dover is not only mine, but a shared one.
Of-course I also have dedicated my efforts to the Port, to e.u. non e.u. rethoric, mass immigration, and much more, but sometimes it is nice to think of specific proposals for our Dover that could liven the daily scenery and that go beyond the e.u. disaster, as I too get mightily fed-up with the latter.
The basic UKIP lines will be presented in Dover in eloquent ways with coming campaigns, however here on the Forum people also want to read other topics, and my next suggestion, considering the situation of the ex cinema's foundations, be it Snoops or Weather Spoons, is to ask the Council to get a bull-dozer and knock it down, first making sure that there is no asbestos in the building material, as this would cause dust that is very dangerous.
Once done, a new building could go up, may-be a theatre?
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Andy as Vic says vote for the person,the person who would work hard for the people of the ward,the Town and the District,which is just as well because most people see UKIP and I understand thier principles and even agree with some,but at Local elections people would see little relevant voting for a Party that wants to take us out of Europe,because at Town or District level we don't have that decision to make.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
John, Howard, Keith re youth shelters, check back to around 2004/5. The annual DDC accounts and meeting minutes have all the details required. Money wasted in the Bannister years.
Moving on.
John, great work putting shows on in the Town Hall, very well done. Having seen how hard you work to get these to the public I reckon you deserve a gong of some sort. However, what Alexander is rightly proposing is something regular that will attract folks at weekends etc. Maybe even get to the point of having a pantomime season. Dover's equivalent of the Marlowe perhaps, if on a smaller scale. There are enough cafe's a bars in the Snoops area to cater for and create, an arts culture environment, instead of a binge drinking environment.
Who knows, maybe Market Square will become "Culture Square". Well, we can alwys dream.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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SID;
You may also find that in those early years the youth asked for teen shelters
at youth meetings,
but, moving on;
John and his crowd do a fantastic job, but all these events cost money, and need the active volunteers.
To more more on more dosh would need to be found, plus the volunterrs to organise it all.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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last time i went to the theatre the show opened with a bloke in a straw hat saying "i say, i say, i say" and ended with a lady that clearly had an allergy to salads belting out a song whilst being pelted with tomatoes.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Ross Miller
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Brian you are absolutely right we need action, not more years wasted talking about it.
However having said that, given the likely parlous state of local authority finances over the next few years, the rebuilding/renovation/restoration of Dover will only come about through partnerships. These partnerships will have to be with the private sector as central government and regional agencies are also having to belt tighten.
Attracting the private sector to this part of the country and getting them into partnership with the local authorities requires planning and co-ordination and some serious thought as to how and what we will incentivise these companies with; perhaps relaxed planning demands (e.g. remove the need for S106 payments), greater involvement in the local colleges allowing them to structure courses to fit there workforce needs etc.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ross
forget regional agencies, according to the "independent" today they will be slaughtered very quickly.
personally i am all for it, though i also hate seeing anyone lose their job.
Regional organisations are where it is heading Howard. With public as well as third and private sector.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Howard I am fully aware that SEEDA along with other RDA's are for the chop - hence my comment.
Having said that local authorities are going to need to look to regional service sharing arrangements to stand a chance of holding service levels at current norms
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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If the idea of Dover people having shares in the port sounded feasable, then surely a much, much smaller proposition like Alexander`s idea here is peanut`s? Would you consider shares in such an undertaking? I would.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sorry ross, just reread your post.!!
Regional partnerships will be the future. Or I'll eat Sue's hat!!!
