howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i would suggest that members go to the front page and see the story from "this is kent " courtesy of rhys at the dover express.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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After years of being given the run around by ASDA, at least the situation finally has a resolution. Better this happens now so that DDC can move on with other developers than be left hanging in limbo for a couple more years.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes I have download it and reading it now,I can not blame this on the D,D.C. but Asda wanted just to downgrade to reduce cost of the scheme,the council are saying in would have meant committing to 130metres of tin shed on Townwall street.
I think we need to know more about that,over the years I have helped put up this kind of building,and when they are all done they look alright and not out of place,again what do we have there now,anything would look better,I do not know because like most of us we have not seen the new plans that Asda are talking about,But it might be the case the council did jump before having avery good look at them.I think this now means we will see nothing done on that site for alot of years, it could end up a lorry Pk after all. Sorry but that is the way I see it now.
Watty says ' so now we will be looking for a further lead partner'.
Perhaps he and Charlie could approach Lord Ashcroft who seems happy to pump squillions of pounds of his un-taxed income into marginal seats? Much better value than the glossy propaganda which is filling up my re-cycling box!
And if that doesn't work approach the long list of Labour Nom-doms currently keeping their heads down, but starting with Lord Paul. Give it a rest Bob you are on very dodgy ground as Labour will discover if they persist with this childish behaviour.
Back on track, ASDA not coming to Dover, well hurray to that. Morrisons stole the cake from under their noses, well done to them. Maybe we will get something more sensible in DTIZ now.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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It is not a surprise that ASDA are not coming we have suspected it for along time,make you wonder what the flood plain risk and Morrison's getting in first.I did not have a problem with ADSA selling food when we didn't have Morrisons but selling everything would have hit the traders we have in the Town.But it is a shame because a lot of time and effort into this no telling how much money as well.
Still perhaps a major rethink,makes you wonder where all the jobs are going to come from though if DDC Conserative Group build their 14,000 house.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i cannot see anything good about ASDA dropping out, they were the anchor to the scheme.
things will just come to a halt yet again.
other companies will look at the scheme, but how long before they reach a decision?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Please go back and read my post on the open page,tell me what you think.?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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vic
i agree with you wholeheartedly, grab what we can now and get the thing moving.
i suspect that ASDA feel that they have been given the runaround by the council, when they done the fashion show here the economy was booming, they would have expected to have built the thing a year or so ahead of morrisons.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,304
I was always in two minds about this. Firstly, the amount of traffic generated by a superstore at this critical junction would have had knock on effects for the rest of the town with tailbacks extending back into the town and being exacerbated by problems at the port (which are never the fault of Bob Goldfield by the way!!!!!!).
Secondly, a supermarket there would have killed all the small traders in the town centre.
So, I don't know if I'm happy or sad.
I'm an ASDA fan, but not there.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Howard, you are dead right but is the door still open?Again we see the council not acting in the way the public would like them to.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Good news really, so much was depending on them and couldn't move without them. I am sure that it would have been their money that tore down Burlington House and the multi-story, so you cannot blame DDC for it. The market and businesses control what happens so the Council have their hands tied...
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry to say this has all the hall marks of the planning dept at the D,D.C.because the talks did not go the same way they were thinking.
So, how many years have we been waiting for this non-event? How many other potential investment has been de-railed because of the prior claim by this chain? Mugs. Mugs with poor leadership.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Howard, you say that ASDA pulling out will make the whole thing grind to a halt. Can I just comment that this development has never been noted for its Usain Bolt-like qualities, ever?
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"Operation Stack" just moved a bit closer to Dover Town Centre now all we have to do is demolish the empty shops in the Market Square clear the old Churchill Hotel out of the way and Burlington House and hey presto! Dover will have found its true purpose in life a giant lorry park.
At least it will be easy and close for Dover refugees to conceal and smuggle themselves into trucks bound for a sunny revitalised Europe.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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whatever we think about ASDA, no other company wanted to take the anchor role.
all can see now is more decay, a few pictures of dignitaries in hard hats and fork lift trucks and more weeds growing and rubbish accumulating in that area.
i have genuinely tried to be enthusiastic at every minor move forward, but have now reached the stage of being totally depressed by it all.
even our lovely seafront has a beautiful building boarded up.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The planning dept at the DDC must go.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Vic, how can a planning department go ?
- Dover regeneration is held entirely controlled by the market.
- Whatever colour in in control, DDC cannot force a business to come to the town
- DDC cannot control the geography of the area and it's catchment
- There is always going to be major business at Ashford and Canterbury and the better the roads are the more likely people are to go to the areas.
- No matter how good the heritage is, the town is too limited in size to keep people here
- Dover is a coastal town that is suffering like all of the others and whatever colour is in they will all suffer the same.
Whatever happens everyone won't want council tax to go up by 10% and are limited anyway so where do people expect the money to come from ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ok I will put it this way they must be replaced.