Reginald Barrington
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"but defending myself against Reg false accusations and clear cut attack on me."
Could you please explain what false accusations and how I attacked you the only thing in my posts (2 which were deleted)
1st post "who's Lord certainly not mine!"
2nd post was "why should your religion dictate how the rest of us should lead our lives.
I have never attacked a persons religious beliefs, people are welcome to believe in whatever deity they wish.
I will however be critical of a persons religion especially when it impacts on me.
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Chris- Forum Admin
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I'm hoping this will remain a civilised discussion about religion (and it's impact on people's lives) that everyone can join in..
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Of course Chris I am just interested to know what in my post was construed as false accusations and attack.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Oh my goodness, what a chance for an anti-theist !
Put simply, and depending upon your choice of god, and your choice of faction, there is a sabbath. This varies between the different gods (!), but for argument's sake we'll call it sunday. If you are non-religious, or worship a different god, Thor, Odin, the crowd on Olympus etc. (ad nauseum) then you probably don't care that the shops are open (unless you're German), and if you do hold the sabbath to be on a sunday, and as the lord's day, then keep to the sabbath and go to church, don't go shopping.
By the way, this is not a personal attack on any individual either on this forum or otherwise, this is me commenting on how people should not cherry pick their religious doctrines to suit themselves.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Good point from Baz, when I lived in Ilford you couldn't get a cream cheese or egg and spring onion bagel for love nor money on a Saturday. I did think of burning down the three synagogues in reprisal but deep down I knew that Sunday morning they would become freely available again.
Brian Dixon
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easy peasy solution,
1/ go to church at what ever time it starts.
2/ go shopping on way home.
then no one is offended.
Button
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I can remember pubs being closed all day on Sundays in Wales. Can't remember beer being freely available on Mondays though.
(Not my real name.)
TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
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Reginald Barrington wrote:"...I have never attacked a persons religious beliefs, people are welcome to believe in whatever deity they wish......
I will however be critical of a persons religion especially when it impacts on me.
Slight dichotomy between those two statements perhaps?
Anyway, onto me...
I was bought up indoctrinated into a certain denomination. What a bunch of hypocrites. Preaching love and tolerance but showing only disdain and (physically violent) oppression if I dared to question anything.
I'm old enough now to recognise that it was pretty much child abuse.
What else would you call slapping a minor in the face? Or physically restraining them for an hour when all they want to do is leave?
And that last one was the last straw.
I had made my objections to the place known and had been told that I didn't need to attend any more if I didn't want to (possibly because social workers got involved after that first slap).
My mum and granddad were so pleased and surprised when I actually volunteered, of my own accord, to attend that next Sunday. I can remember thinking like it was such an adult, mature decision from me. "I don't like this, but I know you do. I'd like to keep the peace". I felt so grown up. I made that decision to attend. I didn't have to.
And then I got there and was held in a vice like (I mean proper painful) grip for an hour by some insane nutter who thought she was some kind of god given matriarch figure , just because I wanted to sit next to my friend. "Let me go, let me go, just let me leave...". She wouldn't let me go. For a full hour.
Fourteen year old me swore he would scream the place down if he was ever made to go back.
It was all "for my own good" apparently!
Yeah right? I'm still cross! And they never got why. Which makes me even crosser.
I'm not anti religion but I am well pi**ed off (some would say damaged) by the way I experienced it.
Sorry for the rant but it feels so good to finally get that out!
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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A post about me, thank you Reggy.
A post about me to just ask a question?
A post to defend yourself from my perceptions of your post towards me.
Your explanation Reggy in your own words;
“Who’s lord certainly not mine, why should ‘YOUR’ religion dictate how the rest of us should lead our lives.
‘People are welcome to believe in whatever deity they wish'. ‘I will however be critical of a persons religion especially when it impact on me.
Reggy you singled me out 'Your religion' it is not just my religion your focus was on me alone when you posted your post, you wanted to pop at me not the religion itself. What I believe in and what I say does not mean I uphold complete authority over everything 'why should ‘YOUR’ religion dictate how the rest of us should lead our lives'. My religion does not dictate how the rest of you should lead your lives, Government and Local Councils decide how you all lead your lives 'NOT MY RELIGION' Reggy so there's your accusation and singled me out.
Now if you were not focusing on me and was not trying to attack me you're reply would have been ' I understand that Amber but religion should not dictate how the rest of us non believers over charging for parking. Because Reggy the post was about 'Parking' you then accused me of effecting others with my religion and not the issue itself 'PARKING'.
You then go onto to say after publicly opening a thread about me:
'I will however be critical of a persons religion especially when it impact on me,'
So where is 'my' religion impacting you Reggy because you make accusations against me again you are referring to me with this statement. I impact on no-one I say what I say, I believe what I believe and at times I get kicked at on here and people think I should take it.
Here I am no less with a person saying he was not attacking or accusing now opening a thread just about me to ask a question? I think the reasoning behind this thread is more than this!
I've read of a lot of Witch Hunting cases in my time but one on a Forum beats me and saying it's asking a question. Why don't you just put me in a chair and put me into the river and ask me the questions MY GOD what is Dover coming to.
My case closed.
If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.
Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Chris wrote:I'm hoping this will remain a civilised discussion about religion (and it's impact on people's lives) that everyone can join in..
Thing is Chris the post is not about discussion of religion Im being posted by my forum name 'A question for Amberleaf50' and then being confronted by old Reggy who wanted me to address myself over his concerns he has about my accusations.
Well Ive done that but keep thread open so anyone wants to take a pop at me is welcome to do so I mean there are thousands reading weekly and may entertain them all.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Oh please! Of course I said your religion because I was in conversation with you, you raised the issue of Sunday being the Lord's day so we should have free parking.
I opened the thread because i wanted clarification as to what you believed were my false accusations and personal attack, those are strong terms to use when people could not read for themselves what was written, so thank you for replying, people are now able to judge for themselves.
Arte et Marte
Jan Higgins
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I dislike religion and religious fanatics of any faith who try to indoctrinate their views on others.
These are the people who have caused more conflict on the world throughout history, be it leading to full scale war or simply instructing others on what they can or can not do in their view of their particular god. They are often extremely nasty people as illustrated by THWD in post 8 who get/got away with abuse in its many forms because they worship a certain god or wear a particular outfit.
All religions are as bad as each other in one form or another for permitting hatred of others and in some cases even promoting hatred of others even the supposed peaceful Buddhism, just look what happened recently in Myanmar.
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Jan Higgins wrote:I dislike religion and religious fanatics of any faith who try to indoctrinate their views on others.
These are the people who have caused more conflict on the world throughout history, be it leading to full scale war or simply instructing others on what they can or can not do in their view of their particular god. They are often extremely nasty people as illustrated by THWD in post 8 who get/got away with abuse in its many forms because they worship a certain god or wear a particular outfit.
All religions are as bad as each other in one form or another for permitting hatred of others and in some cases even promoting hatred of others even the supposed peaceful Buddhism, just look what happened recently in Myanmar.
Jan you best dislike 'humans' full stop because there have been full scale wars, sex beasts,promoting hatred of others, fanatics, pressing of views on others - who have no religion at all. Those who have done all these things out weigh the few with religions. So religion is not to blame for everything that happens but the man behind it. I beleive there is one religion that spreads hatred and is worldwide at present time which all of us suffer from, however, it is not a religion but a mask for that beleif to wage a war on the world, take over by population and those who know of it know what religion I am speaking about.
My comment of Parking on Sundays because it being the Lord day is being taken too far really, it was a mere comment, maybe Im in hell here, dont know. I certainly not trying or tried to indoctrinate my views on others, just made a mere comment as anyone else. Ill just say that as not sure if that directed at me and this thread was orginally about me with the heading changed to the thread.
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Guest 1467- Registered: 30 Jan 2015
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Shall we move on from all this.......
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Its now a discussion about relgion Lewis good debate
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I was admiring the Daffodils earlier at the Folkestone Road roundabout and thought that believers would see them as God's work whilst infidels and heathens would praise mother nature. Each to their own I say and respect each other's genuinely held beliefs.
Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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I beleive in both Howard the universe is a big place we just sit in it there are many forces at large mother nature being one of them. Everyone has a beleif that's the point and its the freedom of their beleif that matters without being 'spiked' at for it.
If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.
Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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How about 'Were just a big floating ball of metal, water and dirt we cant escape from. Were here with billions of other humans and creatures and everyday is about survival to keep alive. We are what we are and there is nothing more to us than this. We have nothing to beleive in or trust , or to call for help, but ourselves. And that at anytime we all could end with some major happening.
People who are trapped with no hope have to cope one way or another. One lonely person who has not one person to confide in who does he speak to? When your on your last breath, grasping on to hope or hanging by a thread who do you call to? We all are not made of steel like some people make out they are. There has been non believers calling out to God to help them when faced with death ahead of them....so you know I like that we have the freedom to have beliefs to get us through life Howard, who ever we are.
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Captain Haddock
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Amberleaf50 wrote:When your on your last breath, grasping on to hope or hanging by a thread who do you call to?
Hopefully, like Hume, no-one.
https://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/smitha/humedead.htm"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Two points on the subject:-
1. There are currently 32 conflicts ongoing around the World: 8 are border disputes. 24 are to decide who has the best magic fairy as an imaginary friend.
2. For anyone seriously interested in 'faith/religion/belief systems' the British Museum has an excellent exhibition on until 8th April
http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/living_with_gods.aspx (I really, really want a Home Shinto Shrine for Christmas now!)
The excellent Neil MacGregor covered it in the Recent Radio 4 series 'Living With Gods'.
All 31 episodes (each 15 min) are available on the BBC Radio IPlayer.
(I found Here Comes the Sun, where he experiences the sunrise whilst inside the monumental stone passage tomb at Newgrange, Ireland, a structure older than Stonehenge or the pyramids in Egypt particularly magical though unfortunately when I visited and entered in 2016 on my megalithic tour of Ireland it was not the solstice)
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson