howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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This has been a major talking point over the last day or so but common sense seems to have taken over.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43676359Jan Higgins
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There would have been a public outcry if the home owner a 78yr old man had been charged, sorry but I have no sympathy at all for the burglar.
If anyone should be charged it should be the accomplice who moved him and then left him to die.
"A witness said an accomplice dragged Mr Vincent toward a van before leaving him for dead. A second suspect fled the scene and is still being hunted by police."
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Captain Haddock
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The shameful thing is that Plod took so long to back off.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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All rather different to the case of the farmer years ago who did time for topping a burglar. This time it seems that the victim simply fought back against the deceased who will not be missed outside his circle of family and friends.
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Guest 1713- Registered: 14 Mar 2016
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Farmer Tony Martin did absolutely nothing wrong . How many times did the police let him down after his home was was robbed etc? $@€tbag deserved all he got shame he only left his accomplice with ano arse full of buckshot .
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Rod Liddle writing in the Sunday Times.
We had the anti-terrorism Old Bill around my house a bit ago. They were there because I’m apparently on a list of people Allah believes is deserving of decapitation, inshallah. Allah and — more recently — Max Mosley, I fear. They just wanted to let me know, the coppers, without wishing to alarm. Have you or your neighbours ever been burgled, one of them asked. I said my neighbour, Pete, had his entire hedge nicked one night. Then he replanted the hedge and put a big fence in front of it. The following night the hedge and the fence were nicked. Police did nothing. I asked if they had advice as to how we might improve our security. “You could have a panic button,” said one. Mentalist Islamic warriors break in, you press the button and it sounds an alarm at the local police station. How long would it take them to arrive? “Oh, no more than 45 minutes.” Right, thank you. Anything else we might do? “You could improve your ambient lighting,” one of them said. Ah, yes. Cunning. Put some subtle low-level stuff in the garden so when the jihadists arrive they take one look and say: “Oooh, hasn’t he done this up lovely, Iqbal? Let’s go decapitate somebody else instead.”
It’s within this context that we should judge the actions of Richard Osborn-Brooks, a 78-year-old bloke who stabbed to death a man called Henry Vincent who was less than half his age, when Vincent tried to burgle his home in Hither Green, southeast London. The pensioner was arrested for murder.
Vincent had been armed with a screwdriver. His cousin told the press that, despite this, he hadn’t deserved to die. “The Henry I know, he was such a loving person,” she said. She may have added (who knows?): “OK, he’d slash your face open with a Stanley knife if you got on his bad side but he was a diamond geezer. Good as gold. Most of the time.” In fact, he was a career criminal from a family of career criminals specialising in targeting pensioners. Not just burglaries but fraud and extortion. John Donne enjoined us to believe the death of any man diminishes us, but I am not sure this is so with Vincent. I felt substantially undiminished when I heard of his demise. I thought Osborn-Brooks had done the world a bit of a favour. Almost everyone seemed to agree. The public was ready to crowd-fund his defence and the newspapers, politicians, pundits were united: a murder charge would be absurd and Osborn-Brooks should never have been arrested.
But there is a big gap between what the public thinks and what our liberal elite thinks. Burglary is an unfashionable crime, politically, and the police don’t have much time for it any more. It took them two days to decide not to charge him. It was almost as if they were saying: “You own a house? You are asking for it. There are people who don’t own houses. You are in a privileged position.” The head of the National Police Chiefs’ Council, Sara Thornton, is happy to explain why the Old Bill won’t be bothering too much about burglaries. “We need to move from reacting to some of those traditional crimes,” she has said. What a brilliant term — “traditional crimes”. We should be concentrating on the online abuse of people, hate crimes, paedophilia and so on, she added.
A deputy assistant commissioner at the Metropolitan police, Mark Simmons, also admitted burglary was slipping down the list of stuff they were interested in: we have to balance the books, he said. Burglary is a thing we should all accept, without reacting too aggressively. Just an invasion of your home and the theft of your property — scarcely a crime at all, when you consider the social divisions that exist in this country. Take umbrage at it and we’ll lock you up. That’s the mindset. Mine, however, remains: keep a knife handy, because nobody else will help.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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"We should be concentrating on the online abuse of people, hate crimes, paedophilia and so on, she added. "
Online abuse is easy to stop, the person should cease going wherever it happens or block them and do not open their emails, inconvenient maybe but so be it.
I would call stealing from someone whether in the street, your car or your home a "hate crime" as it is not what you do to someone you love or respect.
Sarah Thornton should be sacked as she obviously is in the wrong job, she thinks crimes that can be solved from behind a computer screen while sitting at a desk are the most important.
No wonder the police have lost the respect of so many when it comes to crime solving if this is the attitude at the top.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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What a world we live in when people make a shrine in memory of a low life career criminal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43710526Guest 1713 likes this
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43710526
If these tributes were tied to my fence I would also have removed them.
I think it is awful that the innocent householders in that area now feel intimidated by the dead burglar's family and friends.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times
A shrine to the burglar stabbed to death by a pensioner was torn down overnight by an individual who described the tributes as “trash”.
Video footage was posted on Facebook late last night by a man who wrote that he was “extremely furious” to see that flowers, cards and balloons had been left outside the home of Richard Osborn-Brooks in tribute to Henry Vincent, the man who broke into his home.
The individual wrote on Facebook: “When I heard that the family of Henry Vincent (the burglar that got stabbed to death by his intended victim), had placed flowers on the road where he died, I was extremely furious. So I drove to South London, to the road, and saw the flowers and stuff.”
The video shows the man removing the tributes from a fence and throwing them in the boot of his car. He then posted an image online which showed that he had placed the flowers in a nearby cemetery, adding that they had been “happily donated to a local graveyard”.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I wonder if theft in the area has increased to help pay for the tributes.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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I suspect they are helping themselves to flowers from the Cemetery just around the corner.
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- Location: Dover
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I find the vogue for roadside "shrines" incomprehensible and irritating. What is the fascination with commemorating the place of someone's death, as opposed to celebrating their life? So they're no longer around, but their loss is greater than that of their survivors, so mark their life with a gravestone or similar, a park bench, foundation or simply memories. Most people (?) die at their home; what are you going to do - garland it with flowers in perpetuity? And then there's cellophane wrapping on flowers anyway; for Pete's sake take it off as you would flowers you get or are given, otherwise it looks as though you can't be bothered beyond a quick, tick-box trip to the florists or supermarket.
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Until a head of the travelling family of that group comes out and disowns the bad penny in them then sadly they will treat him or her as something they plainly are not , i know of members in the travelling groups one who was in Big brother i'm seeing nothing to suggest this abandonment coming sadly . Its all going to flair up again on the day of the funeral i side with the oap who i would happily shake his hands and congratulate him.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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I thought ParlyParty passed a law you can use such force which is that of a KNIFE as weapon if encounter an intruder your home.
If someone thinks they can just breeze into your home without any come back from the homeowner- whatsoever, does this mean that UK law wants people to just think they can go where they want- do what they want? FOR CHRIST SAKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS BLOODY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!
Old people being murdered daily in their homes or left dead and I read this SXXIT About the 78yr old man. Son of bxxxth wants to come into my home GOD HELP THEM.
Is there anyone who is going to save the UK from a bunch of idiots and puppets running this country with a load of other idiots running every town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.
Brian Dixon
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ambernecter,they are snowflakes.
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Guest 1535- Registered: 27 May 2015
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Oh...Hi Mr Dixy lixy xxx what you do you mean they are snowflakes
If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.
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If only everyone could be kind and honest what a better world we would be in.
