Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
It is awful when something like this happens to such an iconic historical building.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,848
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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- Posts: 7,848
Interior ministry says fire still spreading and they cannot be sure Notre Dame can be saved.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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It just gets worse: "We are not sure of being able to stop the spread at the north belfry.If this one collapses, I let you imagine the extent of the damage," - General Jean-Claude Gallet, commander of the Brigade of the firefighters of Paris
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Firemen say Notre Dame’s structure is now considered safe, the North tower has been saved. One fireman severely injured. Roof almost entirely destroyed. Upper rose windows melted. The fate of the lower big rose windows dating back to 1260 is yet unknown.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,003
I don't think I've seen such an abject lesson in risk management since the VW emissions fracas.
(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
A lot of disquiet in France over the hundreds of millions coming from Macron's chums to rebuild a church. It just reinforces the beliefs of the yellow vests that billionaires can pick and choose what to spend their money on rather than pay taxes due.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,979
Surely it's absurd, even contre la révolution, for the secular French state to shoulder the financial burden for religious buildings. On the other hand, I expect the Pope would cough up were his Church not so impoverished. Of course, the restoration of Our Lady of Paris is now a political rather than a purely architectural project, as Macron seeks to fashion a 'unifying' narrative and use it to rebuild his own crumbling and ravaged structure.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
WGS, the excuse will be it is not simply a religious building as they are contributing to a major tourist attraction.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
or whats in it for them rich people.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,848
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Surely it's absurd, even contre la révolution, for the secular French state to shoulder the financial burden for religious buildings.
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See 1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State.
In spite of the supposed separation of the state and religion, cathedrals remained the property of the state and smaller churches that of the local municipal government.
In essence this means that most Catholic churches, being built before 1905, are maintained by the 'state' - whereas more recent 'churches' Mormons and Mohammedans etc get nothing towards their upkeep.
Personally I find this a brilliant compromise and wish we had the same in the UK.
From Wiki:-
A few French politicians and communities have more recently questioned the law, arguing that, despite its explicit stance for state secularism, it de facto favors traditional French religions, in particular the Catholic Church, at the expense of more recently established religions, such as Islam. Indeed, most Roman Catholic churches in the country were built well before the enactment of the 1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State, and thus are maintained at full public expense, although not always on time and to the extent that the church would like. With the exception of the historically anomalous Alsace-Lorraine, followers of Islam and other religions more recently implanted in France instead have to build and maintain religious facilities at their own expense. This was one of the arguments used by Nicolas Sarkozy, when he was Minister of Interior, to controversially argue in favour of funding other cultural centers than those of Catholicism, Protestantism and Judaism. In 2016, President Hollande proposed a temporary ban on foreign funding for mosques and shut down at least 20 mosques found to be "preaching radical Islamic ideology". These actions are consistent with Title V, Articles 26, 29, and 35 of the law."Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
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