Jan Higgins
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63819482
A quick couple of questions as serious discussion is having a quiet time today.
Am I the only one who thinks the media have made a mountain out of the proverbial mole hill?
Is the race card used to often when people simply seek publicity for a cause or themselves?
Yes the question might have been wrong but the situation could easily have been diffused when it quickly became clear Lady Hussy only wanted to know Ngozi Fulani's heritage, maybe because her name is not exactly a recognised British name or even as far as I know a Caribbean one.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Jan I could not agree more.I felt very sorry for Lady Hussey .Publicity seeking woman shouting the racist card.People of a certain age me included would have asked the same question.I think palace have made a grave mistake.No respect for Lady Hussey at all .That room was very crowded .I think,she did well to,stand there all that time.IThink the Prince Of Wales should have kept out of it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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In a way I disagree Sue, Lady Hussey should have been more sensitive and should have known better and when to stop rather than keep and on on. The rest of it is pure sensationalism and stirring by the media and the woman.
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Captain Haddock
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She seemed quite happy to answer questions here:-
https://museum-collection.hackney.gov.uk/object-2018-54
Reading it she would have appeared to turn herself into an all purpose victim though of God knows what.
Warhol's 15 minutes of fame - this time for false victimhood?
She was a 'women of colour' dressed in some traditional African garb with a African sounding name running a charity exclusively for Afro Caribbean women, and its considered racist to ask of her origin?
One suspects it's only a matter of time before someone digs out her birth certificate and finds it's in the name of 'Susan Smith' or some such................
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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Button
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Jan, you pose an interesting question, particularly with regards to names. (I hope it's about names, because if she had asked, say, Marcus Rashford where he was from, I would think it was triggered by his colour.) I don't know for certain where the line is to be drawn in terms of etiquette; I would be comfortable saying to Ms Raducanu "that's an unusual name, where is it from?" (in fact we've just done as much whilst watching the footie and saying "oh, Mac Allister isn't your average Argentinian name"), whereas I wouldn't ask Mr Patel where his name was from. I think the difference is that Raducanu is uncommon here and Patel isn't.
I have a name that's uncommon in England (yes, yes, not Button, the other one) but very common in Scotland. I don't actually mind being quizzed on it but of course you don't know that until I tell you, so I guess you ask once, see how I respond and drop it if I indicate I don't like the subject. At least she didn't ask me "are you related to the Hertfordshire Buttons" sort of thing (which would be a bit snobby but not what one would call racist - unless one comes from Hertfordshire obviously).
Seems to me as though Lady Hussey could at least do with a revision course on good manners, even if she had the wit to avoid asking her host "where do you Battenbergs come from then?"
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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From the Captains link she says she says about herself...
"We now call it first generation African-heritage. And so the music – we lived at a time where petrol was ten pence a gallon, bus fare was one and a half pence, chips was two and a half pence, and so the economic situation was quite difficult. Mum and dad had seven. But we were really happy. I think we were the only African-heritage family on our road. There was no other black families. But we got along with most people. We didn’t see too much racism as children – or we didn’t notice it.".....
Selective memory maybe? When she was a child racism was a lot more obvious than it is now, I would guess things have only really improved within the last 20yrs even if we still have a long way to go.
Edit.......
Strange how only white people are racist never those of colour, I wonder how many light skinned people from Africa or the Caribbean are allowed in her cosy little group.
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Keith Sansum1
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Listening to the lady complaining it wasn't just the question but moved her hair (touch) for some reason
Obviously resigning probably better for the unelected person
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'Is that a microphone in your tribal costume or are you just pleased to see me'?
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The thing that I really wonder is how 'Ngozi Fulani' , who in the words of Kelvin MacKenzie 'runs a one man band charity which pays her £65K but has a lot of expenses which currently don't appear to be accounted for' - and which describes itself as ' Specialist support for African & Caribbean heritage women affected by abuse. ' - finds out the heritage of her own clients?
Surely she can't ask them where they are really from?
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Broadening this subject slightly, part of the problem now is we white people are not supposed to mention or even notice the colour of a person's skin if they are black.
It is like me not being able to say redhead or blonde or freckled or foreign when describing a friend, so long as I treat them all the same it should not matter which adjective I use to differentiate between them.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Captain Haddock wrote:
One suspects it's only a matter of time before someone digs out her birth certificate and finds it's in the name of 'Susan Smith' or some such................
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Weird Granny Slater
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Really, anyone who spells 'sister' as 'sistah' should not be taken seriously.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think if you speak to the everyday person of colour
There isn't any issue .
Of course it's about whom you speak to and whether or not they are offended
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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If someone is offended first thing Bob does is run down her background
Typical Bob I suppose
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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'Really, anyone who spells 'sister' as 'sistah' should not be taken seriously' cont...
And if you do take such a person seriously, what does that say about you?
'The Royal households will continue their focus on inclusion and diversity, with an enhanced programme of work which will extend knowledge and training programmes, examining what can be learnt from Sistah Space, and ensuring these reach all members of their communities.'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/16/lady-susan-hussey-apologises-ngozi-fulani-palace-announces-enhanced/ 'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Dr Heinz Kiosk, where are you? Your country needs you.
'We are all guilty'.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Concentrate on inclusion weird ?
Harry might disagree with you
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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What's left of our royal house is abject. Its response to every attack is to give ground; pretty soon it'll have no ground left to give.
But when 'conservatives' don't conserve, what do you expect?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The royals will always be there, frightening of alternatives
But really do cause themselves issues
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