Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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For Heaven's sake - not that old Labour perpetual motion machine!
Give every body higher wages because OBVIOUSLY they will have more to spend so OBVIOUSLY that will produce more jobs so OBVIOUSLY more tax will be taken which OBVIOUSLY will pay for NHS, skools etc.
I can't see how this can possibly go wrong!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Oh dear. Paul Mason not happy with the Grauniad now!
Anyway here's Channel 4's rewritten piece. McDonnell not totally crap merely wrong!
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-john-mcdonnell-doesnt-seem-to-understand"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Have you ever considered that your way is wrong, Capt? Since the Thatcher/Reagan era, the capitalist lead occident has been pro Neo-Liberal. That is totally at odds with the needs of the people. Wouldn't you be upset if I took the decision to sell YOUR house(s), YOUR car, YOUR family silver? Wouldn't you be even more upset if I patronised you by telling you that you'd be better off because I've done that FOR you?
Your grasp of the actual reality is, I'm sorry to tell you, blighted by the initial transient success of these policies. They are short-termist at best. You speak as though you are a man with a vested interest in these policies. Did you perhaps endorse, support or perhaps even suggest these as solutions 'back in the day'?
As for Paul Mason, I can't say that I'm particularly impressed with The Guardian either. They are struggling to understand that New Labour were not Labour.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,053
Well, things are due to be looking up tax-wise, since in future the UK will be keeping any Customs duty it collects on imports, and all of its VAT revenue. Sadly, Button is an unashamed tax avoider; my (P&O) booze and chocolate contribute to the French exchequer, my fags to the Belgian, some of my savings are in ISAs and I shop around for good deals and in doing so I lower the VAT take. I don't feel particularly guilty, but then I don't feel "I have contributed all these years" and am therefore entitled, via the NHS, to everything medical science now has to offer - after all, a lot of what is now available was not available years ago.
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Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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Captain Haddock wrote:'Local authorities will be able to charge a 100 per cent premium on council tax on empty properties' announced for starters.
How the heck is that going to help a homeless person?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Bishop wrote:Have you ever considered that your way is wrong, Capt? Since the Thatcher/Reagan era, the capitalist lead occident has been pro Neo-Liberal. That is totally at odds with the needs of the people
Which 'people' your Grace.
Look out of the Palace window and you will see the overweight little buggers playing with their mobile phones and driving the shiny shiny cars which they will never actually own and whining that they 'need' even more stuff and can't we be more like some mythical Scandinavia with wonderful healthcare except it isn't actually working even in Sweden
https://mises.org/library/market-taking-over-sweden%E2%80%99s-health-care and Danish schools are mostly private funded by 'school vouchers' but we didn't realise that.
On the plus side, due to globalisation (Adam Smith seems to be an internationalist), instead of us in the West having ever rising standards of living just because we happen to have been born here, in spite of the fact that we're thick as mince and can't do maths and even if we have a job we're not very productive , in many of the semi civilised parts of the world, you will be pleased to see that having thrown off the shackles of socialism things are looking up (in spite of Brexit).
WWJD indeed!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,705
$1.90 a day is a pretty damn low bar to jump over
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Absolutely Ross. What I was trying to show is that globalisation has lead to a huge reduction in absolute poverty in (for example) the far east.
This graph shows the rise of the average Chinese wage:-
The average wage this year (2017) is 67569 CNY which is roughly equal to £7,650.
Whereas previously 'we' were exploiting the world and using cheap labour and poor working conditions to live well above our means, returning some of our unearned monies in 'aid' to the poor buggers like a latter day Lady Bountiful, things are much more equitable now with us flat-lining and overseas workers getting something closer to approaching a fair wage for the effort they put in.
Personally I'd have thought anyone in favour of social justice would be cheering on globalisation?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Always been a great fallacy that the Tories are the party of fiscal rectitude, save me looking it up what is the national debt now compared to 2015 your grace?
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Much bigger. Much, much bigger. I will leave our captain to present the 2010 Liam Byrne note and actual figures then prosaically present the current actual (non-seasonally adjusted) figure too.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I meant 2010 of course when the much vilified Gordon Brown was praised worldwide and by the Bank of England head honcho for his work after the 2008 credit crunch.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
