Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
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Lol, so you have a group on Facebook, parading itself as an impartial discussion group, really it is something admin'd by a couple of LABOUR people.
Literally joined last night, made one comment about the way someone was behaving, which wasn't acceptable, and this morning I am banned.
You cannot make up the vile and nasty, and also frankly insane, ways the local labour party will conduct themselves.
We have seen their strange performances on her many times.
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
I joined that group prior to the last election but found it so left wing biased and blinkered I gave up on it.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
Hi Chaz
Yes I saw you come on the group yesterday
Then gone today
I couldn't see anything in your posting that could have got you banned
Maybe past fall outs with individuals made it a problem for them.
I was on the same group up until this evening after one of its moderators (who just happens to be a labour cllr) didn't like a post I made
Which just gave the view that we now have to many councils.
I stated DDC gave a poor service with very high costs of A chief executive the highest paid C/executive and a number of officers earning over £100,000.
I also quoted the same on KCC.
And DTC with a high ly paid clerk
What I thought would develop into a discussion into is 3 councils to costly or to many, the Labour cllr moderator
Followed up with my posts would no longer appear without them authorising them first
(the don't want to call it a 7 day ban)
I would happily had an open discussion on my views, but sadly they didn't wish to.
I put on there at least 3 times the costs are high to have 3 councils
And with cutbacks maybe the time has come to see if we can reduce it to 2 councils.
I thinj that's fair to start a discussion
Sadly the Labour run facebook page didn't think so instead threatening this sanction.
I can't post on sites under this type of climate so I decided to stop posting on the site and have since left.
I have put many subjects on the site which was at one point seriously dieing
But debate started a little
Even if it was leaning towards labour
It's a little sad that labour locally wishes to stifle debate of differing opinions
And would have thought they would be desperate to get people on board rather than dismiss them.
This inward looking isnt going to help them in the longer term
As if this continues I can see the tories being in for 25 years
I warned unless they changed big time
This would happen and they don't accept it
Sad times...
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
- Posts: 71
it is sad, yeah it clearly must be because of previous run-ins with the local labour, but they are all things they did, not me.
It was Angie Ray and her husband to pulled some weird farce.
They shouldn't be behaving like this and creating supposed public groups that they abuse their admin powers.
What is worse, if they will abuse something as trivial as admin powers, who is to say they don't abuse powers in other places as well. Not the type of people you want holding any form of political power in any regard.
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
- Posts: 71
and that pedantry they tried to do of making out that the ban wasn't exactly a ban, but he did still use it as a threat to demand you retract your opinion.
this is the power clique of the Dover and deal CLP all over. Woodsie and her troop all behave like this...all in this childish manner.
They keep own-goaling themselves and they will blame everyone and everything instead of themselves. If you call them out on the very things they do or say, like when they lie, they will then do everything they can to harass you in some format or another.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
Hi Chaz
For me I'm to busy to worry about whether or not local Labour achieves a dream which I feel
If the face book page is anything to go by they are still struggling to accept alternative views.
Danger here is another 25 years
I believe this will happen unless they change
Thankfully Mrs Woods to whom you refer local people voted her out,
Having had 2 years battling against cllrs from tory, Labour and so called independents,
I was happy to see if a new incoming group of cllrs might see a change.
Sadly not...
To get back to the points you make, I attempted 3 times to get labour to debate the issue of 3 councils, they surprized me without debate saying DDC tory run was not poorly run.
Come the next election they will have a hard job saying they want to run DDC as they have said the tories are running it well
Political own goal?
The 2 seasoned politicians who chose to look at pre judging if any future post can go on the page is not the socialism I know, but each to there own.
If I didn't explain further (even though I had 3 times) the sanction according to Mr Howden
Was going to come in
They didn't want to call it a ban
Because that doesn't sound good.
What it does do is give you a small flavour of local Labour not learning.
I'm always happy to openly discuss/debate
And Mr Howden, Ann Ray could have supported tax payers money being spent to support 3 councils
But they preferred not to debate it at all. And instead threaten sanctions
That's not a forward looking socialist party
Still I'm going back to help the people in my community
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,848
'Like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children'.
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
- Posts: 71
I think it says alot about the local labour, the main opposition, when they are going around doing these dubious actions and really showing how little they can be trusted with power.
Until that toxic group of bullies and nasty types is gotten out of the local party, we will be doomed to bad tory policies for ages.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,848
FFS! Bad Tory! Exactly which recent policy do you object to? ( Other than the Goldilocks position IT should have been introduced either earlier or later)
You people are a bit of a joke.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
"You People"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How rude but unfortunately not exactly surprising.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Rude? Someone has to call you out!
I. Can't. Breathe.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
Captain Haddock wrote:Rude? Someone has to call you out!
I. Can't. Breathe.
What for having at one time joined a group that I thought was politically neutral or for having the nerve to have a view on your remark.
No idea what your second sentence means so I will leave it there.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
It is rather sad that we find ourselves in a position of supporting a least hurtful govt.
A lot of peopje have no faith in labour
So quite a large number, getting higher all the time are just not voting...
What we need is a strong govt, with a strong opposition
And if we have to have a house of Lords then they should be holding the govt to account.
With people fast switching off politics, no party really has a mandate.
That's not healthy for democracy
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:What for having at one time joined a group that I thought was politically neutral or for having the nerve to have a view on your remark.
No idea what your second sentence means so I will leave it there.
I could hazard a guess Jan but I what little shred of respect I have for the man in question prevents me. Probably the forum rules do too!
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
Keith Sansum1 wrote:It is rather sad that we find ourselves in a position of supporting a least hurtful govt.
Speak for yourself, fella. (Really not sure what 'least hurtful' even means.)
As for needing 'strong government', I'd say a government increasingly relying on unscrutinised, undebated SIs and ministerial diktats to curtail liberties
is a sign of strong government. And you like that? I'd say
that is far from 'healthy for democracy'. Give me weak government any day.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
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Captain Haddock wrote:FFS! Bad Tory! Exactly which recent policy do you object to? ( Other than the Goldilocks position IT should have been introduced either earlier or later)
You people are a bit of a joke.
I wonder what bad tory policies there could be, like austerity and hardcore neoliberalism that has caused urban decay and increased poverty.
The Bedroom Tax
The Dementia Tax
The privatisation of frontline NHS services
No holding your advisor to account.
The suspending and unsuspecting, resuspending of an alleged sex offender.
Snoopers charter
Not enforcing the fox hunting ban
junior doctors contracts
The cuts to student funding, including student nurses.
the whole academies farce.
shouldn't be done at all...ever, but if you think you can justify for them then may someone pitty your soul.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,003
Keith Sansum1 wrote:With people fast switching off politics
We'll have to hope that the 2019 GE turnout (down 1.5%) is just a blip:
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,980
As the graph shows, B, turnouts dramatically improved after women got the vote, and men thought they'd need to pull up their socks in order to counter female waywardness.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
Funny button.
If I recall 2010 people were so fed up with Maggie and her party had dislodged her that anyone would have beaten her and so peopje went out and voted for Blair who promised a lot, but instead dismantled anything labour
Thdn the Iraq fiasco
The last election saw people in many areas just vote against Labour
Labour has a lot of work to do if its to regain the seats in its heartlands
Even closer to home an unknown tory not only won the Dover seat but doubled the majority
So labour struggling here to
I was told the vote would be close before and during election campaign.
It wasn't what I was hearing in my area, and now we can see across Dover and District were not thinking the vote would be close.
Now, labour can say this was a blip due to brexit
But they cant use that same excuse at next general election.
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