`Gordon` tells Cameron to stay in EU.
- 24 January 2013 22:48211895Cameron finally makes it to the Buffoon list.
His ill-defined ...like his many ill-conceived policies leading to many `U` turns.....decision on a Referendum on the EU will mean
years and years of protracted renegotiation and uncertainty which will suspend investment decisions and highly
likely to move investment away.
French Foreign Minister said if UK left the EU we would roll out the red carpet to business men.
Europe is like a football club and once your in you can`t say lets play rugby.....
To be continued. - 25 January 2013 00:23211899Europe is like a football club and once your in you can`t say lets play rugby.....
But we thought we were joining a free trade club and now they're trying to turn it into a super-state. We still just want to play free trade.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 25 January 2013 01:21211901Reg, the majority of Brits want out of the EU now, so why can't we have a referendum on in/out now, or within a few weeks, preceded by a fair campaign where both sides can put their case forward to the Public?
Why, Reg, do we have to be told that we the People do not know and are not supposed to know how our future should be, and that others must decide this for us?
Is this Democracy, Reg?
I'm interested to know your view, as my Dad always taught me to strive for freedom and fairness, and served 22 years in the Army to defend Freedom in our Country.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 25 January 2013 07:49211911Why is he a buffoon Reg ?
Surely it is better to try and make the EU acceptable to the British people (and for the other member states to make it acceptable to their own people) than leave it as it is - isn't it ? The EU as it is now, is too inflexible.
We have been duped by successive (British) Governments over many years, his speech sounded like a breath of fresh air.
Roger - 26 January 2013 13:58212173Courtesy The Times precis rvh
Cameron`s EU policy faces challenges from all sides.
EU members will never accept that the UK be granted a special half -in,half-out status,whereby we enjoy the advantages of the
single market,and participate in its management,while opting out of the political aspects of the EU.
Britain should see the sense of the ultimate goal of forming a sufficiently cohesive Eouropean bloc to be able to face the
world powers of the future on equal terms, - 26 January 2013 14:07212174There is no benefit to Britain being governed by Brussels. There is a myth about not being able to Trade with the EU, we are afterall net importers as well as net contributers.
Greater flexibility for all countries will make them want to stay in.
Roger - 26 January 2013 14:34212178As a parish council we having been waiting for the next round of broadband funding from KCC to replace our slow over-the-phone service (remember the Make Kent Quicker campaign?) that should have started last June. It's a big problem in rural areas, affecting not just businesses but house prices or even the ability to sell.
I've just received a document that will be going on the KCC website soon explaining a major reason for the delays -
"Working with BDUK on the Kent and Medway State Aid Notification - the
national BDUK rural programme constitutes State Aid under EU law. The
Government has now achieved approval from the European Commission for
a UK State Aid Notification which will agree the parameters for all local
authority schemes. We are currently working on the supporting information
that will be required to accompany our state aid application to the
Department of Culture, Media and Support following the completion of the
procurement process."
So our government is unable to spend our money on our broadband infrastructure without going through the expense and delays of applying for permission from Brussels - madness!
You can download the doument here. - 26 January 2013 17:15212199But how long will it take Ray ??
Roger - 26 January 2013 17:30212201At least another two years.
- 26 January 2013 17:47212205"Conclusions
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The most important objective of the overhaul of the State aid regime is to help Europe's governments spend more wisely in these difficult times to prepare the ground for the recovery, keep the right priorities in times of fiscal consolidation and, of course, mitigate the social effects of the crisis.
I am perfectly aware that Member States' governments are ultimately responsible for how public funds are spent and on what; the role of the Commission is to make sure that these expenses do not distort competition in the internal market.
But, in doing so, I have no doubt that we can encourage smart spending; tighten coordination at EU level; and make sure that good practices travel smoothly from one country to another. This is the rationale of my initiative.
Learning from each other's success and increasing coordination are multipliers. The same levels of expenditure can have a larger impact; and this will bring benefits to the quality of public finances, to our economy, and to the people.
At the end of the day, this is what the Union is about; when we play as a team, the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts."
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-12-424_en.htm?locale=enIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 26 January 2013 18:05212208From 2009...
EU Telecoms Reform: 12 reforms to pave way for stronger consumer rights, an open internet, a single European telecoms market and high-speed internet connections for all citizens
"11. Accelerating broadband access for all Europeans: Currently, in rural areas
of the EU only an average of 70% of the population can have access to a
broadband network connection (IP/09/343). The reform will help in overcoming this
"digital divide" by better managing radio spectrum and by making it effectively
available for wireless broadband services in regions where building a new fibre
infrastructure is too costly; and by allowing Member States to expand universal
service provisions beyond narrow-band internet access.
The reform in particular puts a much stronger emphasis on technology and service
flexibility in spectrum use, making it easier for operators to introduce innovative
technologies and services. This increased flexibility will bring important economic
gains and has the potential to generate an estimated additional 0.1% of GDP per
annum. In particular, it will allow the "digital dividend", the radio spectrum freed as
a result of the switchover from analogue to digital TV, to work for the economic
recovery as also stressed in the Commission's recent Communication on
transforming the digital dividend into social benefits and economic growth
(IP/09/1595).
4
A further important reform proposed by the Commission in parallel to the
negotiations on the telecoms reform package was already adopted by Parliament
and Council on 16 October 2009 (IP/09/1545): the modernisation of the GSM
Directive, which will allow operators to introduce new services, starting with 3G and
extending later to other new technologies, to operate in the GSM band which was
previously reserved exclusively for GSM services. This should lead to industry
savings estimated at € 1.6 billion in capital costs for a single Europe-wide network,
and enable faster roll-out of full 3G coverage. The reformed GSM Directive will
boost the take up of 3G in the EU, from the existing 3G customer base which was
estimated at over 90 million in December 2008. 3G penetration rates are currently
the highest in Italy, Austria, Sweden and the UK where they exceed 20% of the
total subscribers."
In pdf format from...
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-09-513_en.htm?locale=en#PR_metaPressRelease_bottomIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 26 January 2013 18:06212209# 70....spot on Tom.......we are going to be part of the EU.......it is the only way forward.......
- 26 January 2013 18:14212213No answer to my question in post 63 from Reg.
So does Democracy count, Reg?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 26 January 2013 18:22212214#71 is irrelevant, it's about freeing up radio spectrum for broadband services instead of using land-based technologies.
#70 can be viewed another way, it shows the EU is too big and cumbersome and over-regulated. - 26 January 2013 18:24212215It is pointless to talk as if from knowledge of how other people may think, let alone what the majority does think, Alex.
WTP, don't know, we are not informed, instead WTP are bombarded by vested interests talking only at cross-purposes, with a view to ensuring that confusion reigns, and then to cheer if things go their way or complain bitterly if otherwise.
Are only those with some, even the most tenuous, of connections to the armed services entitled to hold an opinion or vote for what they think best?
Many, if not all, of those who wish to have their opinion heard and their viewpoint take precedence talk at the populace, not to them.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 26 January 2013 18:25212216Not if you're an EU supporter Alexander. The EU laws we have to abide by are made by beaurocrats, not democratically elected people.
Roger - 26 January 2013 18:29212218#74
I had thought that both excerpts showed that the EU are ahead of the game. Yes, they talk at length about 3G etc. nevertheless their determination to increase broadband availability is also plain.
I am not sure the blame can be laid at the EU's door, or if the EU is kept as a whipping-boy by unscrupulous UK Governments.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Brian Dixon
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26 January 2013 18:32212219in which makes it democratic then roger,as go's through a democratcic process, a bit like this goverment minus the hot air. - 26 January 2013 22:42212241So is Reg suggesting that Ed Miliband's idea of one nation means one country with no democratic right to have a referendum on whether we want to be part of a union which we have never voted to be part of, but that was sneakingly imposed on us from one treaty to the other?
So why cannot Reg give a simple answer to my question, whether Democracy is of any relevance to EU supporters?
I take this very seriously, as Democracy is one of the founding pillars of everything I believe in in respect to British Society.
While accepting that some peoples do have traditional age-old customs which do not necessarily converge with democracy as we know it, in particular in countries where tribal culture is present, I cannot however accept that the EU leaders force us into a degeneration of social values and frog-march us into imposed dictatorship and the abolition of national Sovereignty.
So, in conclusion, do EU supporters despise Democracy and are they trying to deny us this precious right?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 January 2013 02:28212473So I take it then that Labour is an anti-Democracy party, one which will impose Tyranny on us all if it got to power.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ