Veronika O
- Registered: 9 May 2023
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Dear Forumers,
Personally I am not a Brexiteer, and I supported Remain at the Referendum.
I don't care about UKIP or any of those parties. I just think that we should try to be positive and optimistic now, in the post-Brexit situation, and not look backwards. If there are advantages and benefits to not be in the EU then surely make the most of them.
And I don't think that I would vote to re-join, due to how the EU has behaved since Brexit. If Britain re-joined or wanted to re-join then I suspect that the EU would act even more spitefully, pettily and cantankerously towards the country.
Perhaps the EU will ultimately just collapse and break-up anyway, and so it will not be an issue anymore. Then everyone can hopefully just get along and have sensible relations, rules and policies. Afterall, Britain left the EU, it did not leave Europe. The EU and Europe are different things.
Veronika Oleksychenko
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Reginald Barrington
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Absolutely. Rightly or wrongly it has happened, time to make the most of it. Unfortunately it appears to be something too many remainers and our current batch of politicians seem incapable of.
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ideological obsesion rules. If you make a mistake which costs you and your friends dear, then surely any sane person will do their best to rectify it?
What's the list of advantages and benefits?
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Captain Haddock
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Nice one Neil.
the Internet Research Agency moves to Aycliffe?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Veronika O- Registered: 9 May 2023
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Dear Neil Moors,
Yes unfortunately a journalist at that newspaper wrote some false and misleading articles about me, after I simply sent a well-meaning email. He saw an opportunity to make a big thing of it, to boost his career I suppose, because the email mentioned Brexit.
If my email had just mentioned bin collections, environmental issues or library closures for example then he would not have been remotely interested. And he harassed me with a lot of emails and phone calls while producing his story.
My psychologist at the time agreed that the journalist behaved in a very unprofessional, unethical and basically in a sordid way. And he advised me not to respond to the journalist anymore. Everything the journalist wrote was either greatly exaggerated, misleading or a straightforward lie. But if there was any abuse towards the journalist it is nothing to do with me. I am very uncomfortable with the online offensiveness that goes on.
Veronika Oleksychenko
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I was more than a little amused by Suella Braverman's assertion that the UK needed to train more fruit pickers to reduce migration. Curious but I haven't seen many fruit picker courses advertised recently especially since we're in the garden of England.
Why? Because you learn on the job. The more you do it, the better you'll get. Farmers (and indeed many other industries) don't have the wherewithal to organise costly training courses for such small margins. We depended to a large extent on a European labour force close enough to make their migration financially worthwhile.
Hence this.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#6 - Well, you obviously convinced Reggie. That probably indicates something.
Button
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- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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ray hutstone wrote:Ideological obsesion rules. If you make a mistake which costs you and your friends dear, then surely any sane person will do their best to rectify it?
What's the list of advantages and benefits?
OK, I'll buy it, what rectification did you have in mind?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:OK, I'll buy it, what rectification did you have in mind?
Good Lord - where would I start? Was leaving the single market and customs union on your referendum voting card? How many Brexiteers promised that that wouldn't happen? I don't have time to point out the lost regulations about sewage in our rivers and on our beaches. Here's one the just popped up today.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/16/air-pollution-transparency-rules-among-eu-laws-to-be-scrapped-by-uk
Take your pick. A quick scroll through the news channels will bring up plenty more to suit the curious mind.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Sorry, but I'm not spotting the 'what we ought to do moving forward is this...'
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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ray hutstone wrote:#6 - Well, you obviously convinced Reggie. That probably indicates something.
Convinced me of what?
This:
"I just think that we should try to be positive and optimistic now, in the post-Brexit situation, and not look backwards. If there are advantages and benefits to not be in the EU then surely make the most of them."
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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She (he) is a troll, Reggie. The point I was making is that you fell for the guff that was posted. Presumably you'll be keen to elaborate on the advantages and benefits of the results of the 2016 referendum? I'd appreciate the opportunity of being able to offer some analysis of your facts.
Veronika O- Registered: 9 May 2023
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Dear Ray Hutstone,
If it is myself that you are saying is a "troll" then that is disappointing, because it confirms that this forum is also a place, like most online forums, which has members who just turn to personal abuse in order to undermine the views of those that they disagree with, and to basically try to cancel them. This is usually a main tactic of left-wing and also "liberal" people, who tend to be much more intolerant, bigoted, aggressive and disrespectful.
Veronika Oleksychenko
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:She (he) is a troll, Reggie. The point I was making is that you fell for the guff that was posted. Presumably you'll be keen to elaborate on the advantages and benefits of the results of the 2016 referendum? I'd appreciate the opportunity of being able to offer some analysis of your facts.
So you don't believe we should make the most of the position we find ourselves in post brexit?
Posted by a troll, bot or otherwise is irrelevant.
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Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The way we can make the most of it is to recognise the lies and deceit upon which Brexit was based and do our best to ameliorate the situation they have caused. You may not have noticed but slowly and inexorably this is starting to happen. Proclaimed Brexiteer as he may be publicly, Sunak has realised that he can't continue to preside over the economic and geo-political downturn that we are on.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for your list of advantages and benefits.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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So rectification = amelioration = ?
BTW, the OP didn't actually say there were any advantages and benefits (unless it got lost in the translation) but said " if there are any..."
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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"Veronika's" aim was to stimulate debate on Brexit. She's pushing at an open door in that regard.
