Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have been aske at times please vic stand again you will be missed at he election time without you it will be boring.
That's OK saying that but it is not why I have done it in the pass and yes I do want to stay out of it because as I have sad before funding is low also my family but can I stand by and see what is going to happen at the election time in Dover
I can see new cllrs and may be even a party that will not be of any help to our town getting power
The election for Dover has come at the wrong time said this before
THERE is change going on and it is picking up in speed and we all need to support that and get behind it
I have a feeling any change over the next two years will slow that up.
Changes are needed but not at this time.
It takes time for a new Cllr to find his or her way round it takes years to do this not overnight talking and doing are years apart.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If I do it again all it will before is to try and stop others getting in who I think will not make a good Cllr or MP I have done this very well in the pass as we saw at the county elections at Dover west the right person got in for get what party he is in he does his very best for Dover both as a district Cllr and county one and I was happy to help him get there even that it cost me my place in UKIP they got rid of me over that but I do not care it was about the person not the party and local that is how we should all vote the person not a party.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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For myself it is not about winning anymore that will not happen but what I can do is stop others I know in a gen/election I can pull in about 1700 votes they will vote for me what ever party I am in but I will not be in any party I do not trust them anymore but that number will stop others that I do not think will be a good MP for our town and UKIP must be top of that list sorry but that is how I feel .
The same for councils last time I got on four but not voted for on any of them but to me that does not matter. This time it could even be more if I think any parish council is not doing their very best for their own parish there is seven or even more that I can hit from River.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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After watching what went on in the town today it does look like I will have to go back into it all again most what the public was being told by both partys is just not true none will give out true facts and what we saw on the TV last night the Dover MP was not right about anything he was saying.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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My campaign heading will be along the lines of ,(None of them are worth voting for so by voting for me you will be telling them all how distasteful and out of touch they all are.)
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We will see later on when like myself you and your party will walk away with nothing on the night of the election
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Vic, if you will be so kind, please enlighten me. I know that I`m not one of the brightest individuals around but I am struggling to understand your logic. You appear to now wish to once again become involved in politics but you will not actually join a recognised party because you "do not trust them anymore". I assume, therefore, that you would stand as an "independent".
By doing this I guess your motive is that you hope to scupper UKIP`s chances but at the same time assist one of the other political parties of whom you still "do not trust". Is this not somewhat counter productive? If in fact this is the case, I fail to understand why you consider that the local UKIP candidate, David Little, would not perform if elected in the capacity of our MP as well as Charlie or Clair? David is in fact passionate about Dover and Deal and with his local knowledge, drive, energy and enthusiasm in my opinion would bring a breath of fresh air to the political scene in this area.
In addition to the above, if you are including UKIP in your statement that "most what the public was being told by both partys is just not true none will give out true facts" I would be interested to comprehend just exactly what it was that was being said by our members for you to consider it as being "untrue". If in fact you`re correct then, in future, we will have the chance to ensure that what we explain to the public is factually accurate and above board.
Thank you for your attention to my request.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That is very good Mr Buckley at last we see some one talking in away that needs me to address which I will try to do after thinking for afew hours on what you have wrote.
Now as I have said to you many times before if it was you leading the Dover UKIP of standing I would not even get out of a chair to try and stop you and be first to vote for you thank you again for your great posting and the way you have done it. Gardening first today that will give me the time to think and I will then try to match what you have wrote but my old gray matter in the head is not so good as yours but I will try.If only there was more like you.
When we worked in the party and you was on the committee you was always the person that would try and keep me from running off on one well done.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The first thing I will say about Mr Buckley post number 8 is Mr Buckley is one of the very first true UKIP MEMBERS that party has in Dover now, He was there when we had our meetings in a pub just four of us or five of us siting round a small table he was there before me so a very true and trusted member of UKIP
But the same cannot be said about most not all but most there are still one or two that was on the committee when I was there '
But the rest are not real UKIP persons they have come into the party because the party started to take off and they think they have found away of getting on a council etc.
You might say "Well nothing wrong in that is there"and you woud be right to think that but there is a under tone to some of their thinking and that is one word "Power" they are not there because of the policys of the party apart from coming out of the EU and lets face it that is the thinking behind most of us in any party.Some have just join because they had fallen out with there own partys ."You can say well Matcham you have done the same in the pass and you would be right in thinking that."
But I joined UKIP because what it was standing for ."Taking back power from the EU and standing on our own two feet and getting back to being a ruling nation .
The party is still going along the lines of doing that
But a lot of the new members and they are in Dover are not thinking that way.Just getting some kind of power must say I have never never done that .
I have try to do but none of it worked but try to help (1) Doing and helping the number one town of the UK DOVER.
And in some small way helping the nation again I ended up doing nothing in that way but the old saying "You cannot win them all.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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A big political reality is that if your local MP is not of the party in 10 Downing St, he can achieve very little locally which might require ministers to make decisions. It follows that a UKIP MP can do nothing to carry out the party manifesto unless Farage is PM.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Blimey Peter, I can't believe how negative you are recently, most unlike you.
Please embrace this unique opportunity we all have to change the way we are governed, that doesn't automatically mean vote UKIP but challenge the status quo. Plenty of opposition back benchers do sterling work in their community.
Perhaps we should meet up Peter, you are becoming worryingly tribal
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Right Mr Buckley just one thing to aske yourself in the middle part of your post you have wrote along the lines of your candidate being passionate about Dover and Deal etc and he would be bring fresh area to the local political scene.
Yet when you and the others that were on my committee when Chairman was saying "O no UKIP does not get involved in the local political scene infact sir you all voted against me standing as a local candidate and that is why I had to stand as a independent outside the UKIP because I could not get any support from my members even members outside of the committee yet now you are saying yes the party should and giving it your %100 support so we see even in you that what you was saying then was untrue but I know you was /
So now you are even going back on your own words in backing a candidate that is base his election campaign on just that and even supporting him I for one did not ever think you would do that sir .
So please give this your attention and say that is true what I have wrote and I cannot think that you like some of the rest would not come back with a true answer to my request as I am trying to do with yours thank you.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,871
Has April 1st otherwise known as All Fools Day come round again.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You also have to aske yourself where were all the so called passionate candidates years ago? how come they have just come to the front now?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I see Mr Buckley name down showing he had sighed in a hour ago but he has not got back to returning posting I had done.
One might aske why.?
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Vic, I have just returned from contacting Howard with a query. Unfortunately, after I had written a very long reply to your question(s) which I had spent a great deal of time preparing, on pressing the "preview post" button I was thrown out of the system and asked to log in again!
All that I had written in reply to you has now been lost, to be honest, I can`t bring myself to write all that out again, certainly at this moment in time anyway.
I had things to do today but put them off in order to respond to you, I trust that you will believe me on this.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i think the new found enthusiasm stems from restructuring the party and getting rid of closet racists and others with their own agenda.
the manifesto from 2010 has been ripped up and a new one being planned for 2015 which will attempt to be more acceptable to mainstream voters.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I can understand that I do it all the time Mr Mcsweeney we will wait for Mr Buckley to get back and talk for himself there is no rush over a year yet to the voting day they rip up a manifesto each year nothing new on that one they go on which way the wind is blowing but all partys do that.And Mr Buckley your word is always to be trusted .
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Exactly Howard, it's all change.
Even the Dover West candidate at the county elections last year got nearly as many votes (1653) as voted for UKIP at the general election in 2010 (1747).
It's great that they are waking the other parties up for a better debate that is not along tribal voting lines.