Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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I see someone's been missreading the Koran again.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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That man is someone who will not be missed. He must definitely have had a death wish as the police station is only a few yards over the road from the stabbings and Streatham's Boots so I doubt he could have escaped even if he had wanted to.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,256
He didn't expect or want to escape hence the fake suicide vest.
I see Sadiq Khan is the first to jump on the political angle and blame the government and not the scumbag muslim terrorist!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The mother of a convicted terrorist who was shot dead after two people were stabbed in Streatham believes he was radicalised in prison, she said today. Haleema Khan, 41, described Sudesh Amman as a "nice, polite boy" but said he had become "more religious" while in prison.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Nothing like a good 'political angle' to get the votes in:
'...these changes will be made urgently in the New Year if I am Prime Minister and have a majority in Parliament.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742411/BORIS-JOHNSON-end-early-release-terrorists-violent-offenders.html
I wonder how that's going then?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Yup. Blame the politicians, or the police, or the prison service, or sodding 'austerity'.
Anything other than admitting the problem IS Islam.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Blame? Who said that?
Johnson didn't promise to stop Islam. Why would he want to upset the Saudis? He promised to do something practical. He promised to stop early release for terrorists. That, and some other things, won him an election. With a big majority. He didn't deliver.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,705
Islam is, of itself, not the problem, any more than Christianity was the problem in Northern Ireland, the problem is the twisting of Islam by Imams and others who are fuelled by hate, xenophobia, small mindedness, ignorance etc.
In the face of this it is easy to blame the underlying religion, just as it is easy through our reactions to events for the "hate preachers" to self justify their warped interpretation of Islam.
Of course we should stop early release as it patently isnt reducing the risk terrorists pose to us - so BoJo needs to step up...
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Islam IS the problem. It's a primitive religion which remains unreformed. Unfortunately the Koran, which is supposedly directly the word of God, (the only bit of the Bible direct is the Ten Commandments), does have verses which directly encourage terrorism.
What might be a suitable fantasy for a load of desert peasants years ago has no place in a civilised society.
The very word Islam means submission or surrender (to God's will).
All religions are silly fantasies. Most are harmless. Islam is not.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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I agree with you on the broader point that all religions are silly
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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So do I Ross, most of the world's problems past and present usually have religion as the catalyst.
Islam is no worse than any other, it is a small minority of followers that choose to take some of its teachings to the extreme. Not that the Captain would agree with his obvious hatred of anything or anyone that has a connection with Islam.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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No hatred involved. I can tolerate (NOT respect) most beliefs as long as they leave me and the things I value alone.
Islam does not do this. How many more deaths on the streets of Europe is enough?
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
Well I'm sure this won't be the last time I disagree with Bob F.
I actually agree with Ross!!
Religion isn't the problem but extremists are.
Obviously early release isn't working
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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To quote the Justice Secretary we face "an unprecedented situation of severe gravity".
This is not the Red Army Faction, the Bader Meinhof Group, the Angry Brigade or even the IRA (where Protestant and Catholic were used as a shorthand, the troubles having nothing at all to do with religious belief).
It's a clash of civilization and a primitive belief system.
Ignore it if you wish. Unfortunately it doesn't want to ignore you.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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I agree with Buckland's statement that 'we face an unprecedented situation of severe gravity.' It is indeed grave that the Home Secretary struggles to remember the script she's been handed by Cummings, still doesn't know the difference between 'terrorism' and 'counter-terrorism', and believes 'a raft' is something you construct when your boat's sunk rather than a motley mass of rubbish. Yet more grave is the continued financial abuse of the system of criminal justice by successive governments while simultaneously blaming the system's struggling actors for its failures. But graver still is the piecemeal erosion of English liberties in the name of public protection by ignorant, opportunist, authoritarian politicians playing to a gallery of cholerics who eat outrage for breakfast.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Ignoring the elephant in the room methinks?
Pope Gregory a thousand years ago differentiated between the 'religio' and the 'saeculum'' the sacred and the profane, with his 'reformatio' building on the teachings of Augustine.
Mohammedans don't. Hence homosexualists thrown off tall buildings. Those who leave the religion (apostates) killed. Yazedi's slaughtered and women taken into slavery.
And you are worried about civil liberties and 'due process'? Nice.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Some extremists
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Indeed. But just look back to WW2. It was 'Germany' which we were at war with.
Not just the few who were totally signed up to the Nazi cause (your extremists). Not just the many who tried to ignore what was happening to their country. Not just the innocents just trying to get on with their lives.
There was something rotten in the heart of Germany and it had to be sorted. It was a threat to civilisation.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Religions may be silly, but fronting a theory looking for facts to back it up is very silly indeed. Especially when one of your co-claimants is George W. Bush.
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