Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Well then, Peter, I will reiterate that BNP has a specific policy not to initiate military aggression against other countries.
This is as opposed to the three mainstream residents of Westminster.
Unfortunately, you appear subject to propaganda.
British National Party upholds: "Britain has no right to dictate the internal politics or social configuration of any other nation. We would also expect all other nations to grant this same right to Britain."
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Furthermore, Peter, BNP has a very clear policy on children at school:
children should not be subject to perverted sexual education.
Perhaps you can explain to us, Peter, as Chairman of UKIP Dover and Deal, what policies UKIP have on economy?
For example with regards to the public debt, currently £1.3 trillion, or Britain's collective (official) private debt, also currently £1.3 trillion.
BNP advocates the cancellation of a large part of these two debts.
Generally, I profoundly respect Keith Bibby's brave campaigning, but have noticed that the UKIP central directory no longer uphold many of the issues Keith brings up, that he's citing from party material that meanwhile has become defunct.
For example, Nige's recent decision to "shame" the Prime Minister into agreeing to Nige's sudden outburst to allow into Britain refugees from any country where a war is ongoing.
Nige lives on Planet Zog, he doesn't seem to realise that in London, people arriving from Eastern Europe, specifically Romania, have started sleeping on the streets, even with children! Many move into abandoned toilets and attach a cable to the power line for electricity, while others sleep in parks. They simply came over for the benefits and the free house!
So where does Nige want to put potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of refugees from half the world?
Perhaps in the floodplains?
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Alexander, read posts 16 and 17 again. No deals with the Bnp and other holocaust deniers.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Holocaust!
Peter, please take a look at how UKIP glorify the WWI slaughter.
It's on the other thread: "Would you vote for this?".
People in the Dover and Deal Constituency would want to know who and what they would be voting for, and would expect an explanation from you on this very nasty policy of UKIP to glorify mass slaughter between brethren.
So you have any valid arguments to put up here to promote UKIP?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wasn't aware that the bnp were holocaust deniers, some of their oddball members maybe.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter must be referring to the Jews who died during the Second World War.
In 1919, Britain gave the Jews a homeland in the Land of Israel, which, sadly, was not appreciated by the vast majority of Jews.
One thing is for sure in reference to BNP, the party does not rewrite history, and dos not associate itself with persecution of Jews either in Israel or anywhere in the world either in a historical or present context.
My personal opinion is that Rudolf Hess landed in Britain to attempt a discussion for ending the war, and the future of Jews would have been part of the proposals.
As we all know, W. Churchill had the man thrown in prison and - if Churchill knew anything of concentration camps during the war - he deliberately kept it a secret from Britain and the whole world, because otherwise the masses of people in Britain and elsewhere would have supported an end to the war and an agreement that would help Jews in Europe too.
But Churchill was hell-bent on his private war of mass-killing and destruction against Germany and so he kept many things secret.
One day people will see through the Churchill farce!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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lost me again alex.
a) why would jews deny the holocaust?
b) the state of israel was formed after the second unpleasantness not the first.
Brian Dixon
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1948 to be precise
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Please don't confuse Alex with too many facts.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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here to help peter.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There must be a misunderstanding, Howard, somewhere, there was no mention of Jews denying the holocaust.
That said, it is accepted in Israel that the term Holocaust in reference to persecution of Jews is not used by all Jews, because its biblical meaning does not imply a human sacrifice. Hence some use different terms to refer to the plight of the Jews during the war.
I managed to understand your second point, Howard, and that is easy to explain:
yes, the State of Israel was established in 1948, as Brian rightly notes, but in 1919 the British government had mandates over areas of former Ottoman Empire territories, including Palestine, and declared that this area was open to Jewish settlement in view of becoming a Jewish homeland. See Balfour Declaration.
Several hundred thousand Jews moved to Israel (Palestine) between 1919 and 1938, and A Jewish Agency was also established there. The first British governor was also a Jew, the intention being to help the Jews as much as possible to settle down there.
By and large, the majority of Jews in the world showed scant interest in the Land of Israel and preferred to stay on where they were.
I still wish to reiterate that Peter's idea that BNP try to rewrite history is false.
But I will accept that he may have been misled by imposed propaganda from some office, not that I know which one.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I'm referring to Peter Ripley, UKIP Chairman Dover and Deal.
Sorry Peter Garstin for any confusion!