ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Another would be hero of many of the blinkered loyalists is finding his real historical worth revealed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/06/david-cameron-britain-greensill-access-lobbyingray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It's never pretty when thieves fall out..... Or two abject liars for that matter. I wonder if our delightful Natalie would like to re-publish her defence of Barnard Castle Cummings heralding his honesty, integrity and vital worth to Laughing Boy's government?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56863547Captain Haddock
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Personally I've always liked Cummings, and whilst his latest blog seems to have given those within the beltway faux apoplexy, it all seems fairly bland to me and I suspect BoJo is right and most people don't give a monkeys.
Here's what he actually said:-
[I]Statement regarding No10 claims today
The Prime Minister’s new Director of Communications Jack Doyle, at the PM’s request, has made a number of false accusations to the media.
1. Re Dyson. I do have some WhatsApp messages between the PM/Dyson forwarded to me by the PM. I have not found the ones that were leaked to Laura Kuenssberg on my phone nor am I aware of being sent them last year. I was not directly or indirectly a/the source for the BBC/Kuenssberg story on the PM/Dyson texts. Yesterday some No10 officials told me that No10 would make this accusation and told me what they believe actually happened — that Dyson’s office emailed a number of officials, including HMT officials, and included screenshots of the PM/Dyson texts, and that this correspondence, from roughly a year ago, was passed to the BBC. I do not know if this is correct. Officials told me yesterday that I was not copied in on this correspondence and I do not remember it (I no longer have access to my official email so cannot check this).
I am happy to meet with the Cabinet Secretary and for him to search my phone for Dyson messages. If the PM did send them to me, as he is claiming, then he will be able to show the Cabinet Secretary on his own phone when they were sent to me. It will therefore be easy to establish at least if I was ever sent these messages. I am also happy to publish or give to the Cabinet Secretary the PM/Dyson messages that I do have, which concerned ventilators, bureaucracy and covid policy — not tax issues.
2. Re lockdown. Last year there was a meeting between the PM, Cabinet Secretary, the Director of Communications and me regarding the leak of the decision for a further lockdown on the Friday evening immediately after the meeting in the Cabinet Room that made the decision (known in the media as ‘the chatty rat story’). The Cabinet Secretary told the PM that the leak was neither me nor the then Director of Communications and that ‘all the evidence definitely leads to Henry Newman and others in that office, I’m just trying to get the communications data to prove it’. The PM was very upset about this. He said to me afterwards, ‘If Newman is confirmed as the leaker then I will have to fire him, and this will cause me very serious problems with Carrie as they’re best friends … [pause] perhaps we could get the Cabinet Secretary to stop the leak inquiry?”
I told him that this was ‘mad’ and totally unethical, that he had ordered the inquiry himself and authorised the Cabinet Secretary to use more invasive methods than are usually applied to leak inquiries because of the seriousness of the leak. I told him that he could not possibly cancel an inquiry about a leak that affected millions of people, just because it might implicate his girlfriend’s friends. I refused to try to persuade the Cabinet Secretary to stop the inquiry and instead I encouraged the Cabinet Secretary to conduct the inquiry without any concern for political ramifications. I told the Cabinet Secretary that I would support him regardless of where the inquiry led. I warned some officials that the PM was thinking about cancelling the inquiry. They would give evidence to this effect under oath to any inquiry. I also have WhatsApp messages with very senior officials about this matter which are definitive.
Shortly afterwards the Cabinet Secretary authorised the PM’s then Official Spokesman to tell the media that his inquiry had shown that neither I nor the then Director of Communications were the ‘lockdown leakers’ and he confirmed to me in writing that he had so instructed the PM’s then Official Spokesman (who subsequently left). The PM himself also confirmed in writing that the leak inquiry had shown that neither I nor the then Director of Communications was the leaker, describing rumours to this effect as ‘total bullshit’.
The PM therefore knows that I was not the source of the leak and that the Cabinet Secretary authorised the Prime Minister’s Official Spokesman to tell the media this, yet he has now authorised his DOC to make this accusation.
The Cabinet Secretary knows the above is true and obviously can see our messages regarding this on his own phone. He behaved with complete integrity during this difficult incident.
These events contributed to my decision to stick to my plan to leave No10 by 18 December, which I had communicated to the PM in July the day before my long-delayed operation.
3. Re the flat. The Prime Minister’s DOC has also made accusations regarding me and leaks concerning the PM’s renovation of his flat. The PM stopped speaking to me about this matter in 2020 as I told him I thought his plans to have donors secretly pay for the renovation were unethical, foolish, possibly illegal and almost certainly broke the rules on proper disclosure of political donations if conducted in the way he intended. I refused to help him organise these payments. My knowledge about them is therefore limited. I would be happy to tell the Cabinet Secretary or Electoral Commission what I know concerning this matter.
4. I have made the offer to hand over some private text messages, even though I am under no legal obligation to do so, because of the seriousness of the claims being made officially by No10 today, particularly the covid leak that caused serious harm to millions. This does not mean that I will answer every allegation made by No10.
The proper way for such issues to be handled is via an urgent Parliamentary inquiry into the government’s conduct over the covid crisis which ought to take evidence from all key players under oath and have access to documents. Issues concerning covid and/or the PM’s conduct should not be handled as No10 has handled them over the past 24 hours. I will cooperate fully with any such inquiry and am happy to give evidence under oath. I am happy for No10 to publish every email I received and sent July 2019-November 2020 (with no exceptions other than, obviously, some national security / intelligence issues).
It is sad to see the PM and his office fall so far below the standards of competence and integrity the country deserves.
I will not engage in media briefing regarding these issues but will answer questions about any of these issues to Parliament on 26 May for as long as the MPs want. [/I]
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Nothing to see here, eh? Laugh? That's hilarious even by your standards, Cap'n.
The party is full of spineless, half-witted sycophants trumpeting the same BS as you just have. Anyone with a backbone? Well, Udny-Lister threw his hand in yesterday seeming unable to stomach the fact that his boss was on the human lumberjack, Mohammed Bin Salman's, speed dial list for favours. Johnny Mercer describes the government as a 'cesspit' in which almost nobody tells the truth and Dominic Grieve is on prime time radio describing him as a vacuum of integrity.
I wonder if you'll admire our bug-eyed hypocrite Cummings quite as much on May 26th. Maybe you can help the fragrant Natalie with her next local paper article on the subject?
Jan Higgins
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I will never trust anything Cummings says. He has that wonderful way like those politically minded seem to have of being economical with the truth by their careful use of words. Examples.....I do not remember, I do not have access, I did not tell whoever but spoke/confided to someone who would etc.
I can not help but wonder if he took a very long drive to check his wording as well as his eyes prior to writing that.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Where does Gove's wife work? Oh, I remember. It's the Daily Mail. I guess her boss must have approved this. Is the oleaginous snake another one after revenge perhaps? Don't forget it was a mere 5 years ago that he described Laughing Boy as being unfit to lead the country. Lovely party, the Tories right now.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Nothing like a bit of muck raking when there are elections looming, not that whatever happens in Westminster should really affect our local council elections.
BTW how does rather bland Gove or his wife fit into the story, she did not write the article unless she uses a man's name as a nom-de-plume, maybe it is desperation.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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What I can't understand is why the Mail, the voice of 'middle England', has really got it in for BoJo?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:Nothing like a bit of muck raking when there are elections looming, not that whatever happens in Westminster should really affect our local council elections.
BTW how does rather bland Gove or his wife fit into the story, she did not write the article unless she uses a man's name as a nom-de-plume, maybe it is desperation.
The suggestion that political pressure to resist a lockdown at the expense of loss of life is not exactly muck-raking, Jan, even to the most ideologically warped view. Gove's wife is the Daily Fail's prize columnist - the voice of middle England, as the Cap'n says. The reason they have it in for Laughing Boy is because, like the Murdoch mendacious organs, they've always wanted that servile, cringing, obsequious tit Gove to be their puppet. Wonderful for our country, isn't it?
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Everyone knows that Johnson is a serial liar (even his supporters), but as a country we appear to have deemed that acceptable. That view was largely formed by the fact that he has the majority of the print media batting for him all day, every day. It is therefore significant that the Mail appears to have abandoned him - and you do feel it's the Gove/Vine influence that feeds that. Today's PMQs should be a good watch!
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Neil Moors wrote:Everyone knows that Johnson is a serial liar (even his supporters), but as a country we appear to have deemed that acceptable. That view was largely formed by the fact that he has the majority of the print media batting for him all day, every day. It is therefore significant that the Mail appears to have abandoned him - and you do feel it's the Gove/Vine influence that feeds that. Today's PMQs should be a good watch!
Did you watch it? The funniest thing I've seen for a long, long time. Serial liar, serial philanderer, unable to manage even his own finances, gets into the biggest hissy fit you'll ever see. And in the meanwhile, our country's reputation continues to drop like a stone.
Reginald Barrington
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Wasn't it just, Keir was just mind-bogglingly useless an open goal and those guide rails you get at the bowling alley and yet he still missed the goal!
No wonder the conservatives are doing so well in the polls.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Wasn't it just, Keir was just mind-bogglingly useless an open goal and those guide rails you get at the bowling alley and yet he still missed the goal!
No wonder the conservatives are doing so well in the polls.
Really? You must have been watching in a different universe, Reggie. Starmer quite adeptly led Laughing Boy into making comments at the despatch box that he will regret later.
As far as last week's polls are concerned, they are meaningless. It's how this ghastly mess ends up that will count. The penny is beginning to drop about Boris and his incessant lying. Of course, it takes a bit longer for the gullible to get there but that's always the case.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Surely we all know Boris is useless, the problem is that at the moment all Starmer and his party do is pounce on Boris ( justifiable or not) and how awful the Tories are rather than what Labour would do policy wise that is in any way better.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Keir did what he needed to do today; he got Boris on the parliamentary record denying a few things that may well come back to haunt him.
Good to see Boris getting rattled though, and when you think about it, you can see why: he's knee deep in sleaze for the decoration of a flat he couldn't care less about, that has cost him sixty grand (when he is apparently skint) and he's still going to get into trouble about it. Brilliant.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Wasn't it just, Keir was just mind-bogglingly useless an open goal and those guide rails you get at the bowling alley and yet he still missed the goal!
No wonder the conservatives are doing so well in the polls.
Is that you winning on the Dover Striker lottery, Reginald?
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Brian Dixon
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what dover striker lottery neil.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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My heart jumped when I read the winners earlier, but sadly not. Was thinking of claiming it by default though (maybe if it was the £1000)!
Arte et Marte
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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reg , i havent seen my striker collecter for 4 months.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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You can set up a direct debit for monthly or quarterly payments via the DAFC website.
http://www.doverathletic.com/striker/
It has been stopped for a while so maybe he'll come knocking soon.
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