howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Normally the two main parties take turns but at the moment we have both of them having internal strife, negotiators for the EU must be lapping it up.
http://news.sky.com/story/philip-hammond-leaks-show-tories-now-in-all-out-war-over-brexit-strategy-10950485Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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Hammond's views on the public sector won't go down well
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Well, HM the Queen got £41 million extra as a public servant and those recently elected KCC councillors got an extra 15% so he obviously was just teasing the Firemen, Police, Nurses, Teachers etc with that 1% pay rise. It's obvious, isn't it?..
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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And average public workers STILL doing better than those in private industry + job security + exellentpension.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Job security>?
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Jan Higgins
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Captain Haddock wrote:And average public workers STILL doing better than those in private industry + job security + exellentpension.
Job security for my son recently was move to another part of the country or take redundancy, partly because of his wife's disability package etc he decided to choose the latter.
Public workers might have good pensions but I am sure most would prefer a decent living wage now rather than the continuous battle to make ends meet.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:And average public workers STILL doing better than those in private industry + job security + exellentpension.
You seem to be singing from the same spreadsheet as our esteemed/maligned chancellor. Check your furniture as his cabinet is riddled with leaks. Anyone doubt that May be down to the current PM and her whips?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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FWIW I spent 34 years of my working life in National or Local Government service moving to various posts around the country. I did bloody well out of it as did everyone I worked with (most of us now looking forwards to years of index linked pensions).
Most people at my previous grades/jobs are still doing damn fine and with all due respect, when I look at the workload and stress levels of local government workers, it really is guaranteed money for old rope. How we have ended up employing so many useless individuals on so much to avoid making so few decisions God knows. They are only whining because they have no idea what the 'real world' is about.
Stop looking at starting pay and look at the guaranteed increase in salary year on year in such as nursing as well as any 'pay increase'. After all they are only nurses. Half the population are probably capable of becoming nurses if they wanted to be. With all due respect you don't need Mensa membership for that. Yes I know they well might save my life just as a fireman might but so can a lifeguard at the local swimming pool and I see no reason to pay him loadsamoney just because he's quite good at swimming.
(Rant over. Back to beach for week five of holiday. Thank you tax payers!
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Oh Bob you are going to upset a lot of people with that observation.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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By the way my Grandaughter gained three a star a levels and a first class honours degree and is a nurse in in the intensive care unit.Safe journey home !!
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Sue. Perhaps you would care to divulge her salary, how many years she has worked for the NHS and her pension rights?
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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£1 an hour and a vocher for the food bank twice a week.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Sue. Perhaps you would care to divulge her salary, how many years she has worked for the NHS and her pension rights?
Why should Sue tell us that even if she knows, would you be happy to broadcast to the world what you receive?
There is a big difference between what my son will get, he joined customs about 30 years ago and then moved to VAT, to what present day workers will get in the future.
Things have completely changed for government employees unless you are at or near the top of the ladder.
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Weird Granny Slater
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Captain Haddock wrote:FWIW blah, blah, blah...
Rooster on the loose: last heard crowing in the Scillies.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Not crowing WGS, stating facts. My own father retired and spent next 30 years on half his salary as pension and proofed against inflation. Totally unsustainable to carry on paying such pensions.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Bit of a waste of time posting on this subject when comments about present day facts are ignored and no longer applicable pension packages are quoted.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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"Half the population are probably capable of becoming nurses if they wanted to be." Want to be and are enabled by the state to be are two VERY different things.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40581643 "
The figures show a sharp decline in those applying to study nursing courses - down 19% - and a continued fall in the number of mature students, notably in England and Northern Ireland."
Compare your P60s as a public servant to those of nurses and then cast your judgement. Don't be so Self-servative, think about your neighbours once in a while.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Totally unsustainable to carry on paying such pensions.
Well, perhaps the government should look to 'adjust' past public pension provision in order achieve parity with current agreements. This would be a sure-fire vote-winner, especially with those, such as yourself, who believe their terms to be over-generous.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of News Thump
The prime minister has pleaded with her cabinet to stop leaking information to the press about how entirely incompetent everyone is.As yet more stories appeared about disagreements at the top of the party on key elements of the government’s strategy, Theresa May pleaded with everyone concerned to keep it quiet.
A leaked document showed that she told cabinet members, “There is little point me pretending we’re a slick, well-oiled machine driving the country forward to a brighter future, because everyone knows that is complete bullshit.
“So the very least we can do is aim for a situation where people don’t see us as a bunch of incompetent back-stabbers who’d eat our own grandmother if it put a dent in the political ambitions of a rival.“Yes, that might well be true; you know it, and they know it – but it would be nice if we stopped confirming it publicly every five bloody minutes.”
Voters have reacted with nonchalance to the latest revelations.
Conservative voter Simon Williams told us, “Look, I know they’re complete shits, but at least with shits you know they’re going to look after number one at all times – it’s predictable.
“Plus, I’m a middle-class white man, so things that are good for them are generally good for me too. It’s win-win.”