howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not sure what the one faith is, as far as i can see there are many and there are others that have no faith at all.
our door knocking friends from the watchtower refer to themselves as "the truth", enough said.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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the witness Jehovas.... lol funny lot... I had the "pleasure" once two woman mother and pregnant Daughter...
Had an hour discussion by the doorstep. Didnt let them in but didnt mind talking to them either. I think they went away thinking as i knew alot about it ad threw it in their face in a nice diplomatic way.
They never came back to me ever since.
Good to be educated about different believes and religion :)
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you missed a trick there heike, when you open the door to them give them a big smile and say "do come in and let's talk for hours about religion" then watch them sprint away.
works every time.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, Jesus proclaimed he is the Gateway to the Holy Father.
This makes the Christian Faith as according to the Holy Scriptures The One True Faith.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bob, my one agenda is the Fair Lady's Victory.
No secret have I made of this.
It's straight forward: Her road leads to Christ's Church.
More than this a Mother cannot offer, it is everything.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Barrie, your comment of, "but now it`s Islam being demonised", is probably true, but what else do you expect when for many years the followers of Islam have been slaughtering many hundreds of thousands of innocent people throughout the world? What do you suggest, that we perhaps should only say nice things about them and ignore the atrocities?
I can`t actually believe that you think the killers of Lee Rigby for example were particularly good guys deserving of any sympathy?
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Mr. Buckley, of course I don't think that any killers are good guys, and I never intimated that at all.
The point I am trying to make is that we are being conned by certain western governments, including our own, in supporting the USA even though the USA was financing and supporting terrorists that were attacking this country.
There are extremists all over the world, but the only ones who have had much impact on the USA were the september 11th attackers, and since that attack we have been dragged into conflicts to help the very country that was supporting terrorists who were attacking us.
That would be like us financing, arming and supporting extremist groups who were attacking the USA.
Because they are the enemy of our 'friend', they are now our enemy too.
I don't support any killers, extremists or terrorists of any description, but its also no good singling out Islamic extremists just because they attacked the USA. You could probably find a dozen or more genocidal groups around the world at any point in time, Israel, Zimbabwe, and god knows how many other african countries.
The whole point is that we seem to follow the USA, and why the hell should we after what they have assisted others to do to us?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Barrie
The USA have similar systems to the uk, banking ,,massif arms industry, open trade capitalism, big business political controlled politicians
I am not saying this is all good, just saying not much difference in us and them .
Islamic government systems are not compatible with the western systems of government ,so conflict was always going to be a problem, when you try to mix the to ideologies and populations.
Probably why Islamic community insulate them selves from the communities around themselves.
I personally think the west should stay out of Islamic lands and Islam should stay out of Weston lands.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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You could well be right with that last statement Keith, but when we all sit here and complain about how governments don't represent the electorate and how we need a change, which I totally agree with, we can't pick and choose what lies and corruption we want changed, and which ones we will turn a blind eye to.
The US never sent us any military aid during the Northern Ireland conflict, quite the contrary in fact, but our lying cheating politicians didn't hesitate to start an illegal war in support of the USA.
The majority of Muslims are decent and respectful people, as are the majority of Catholics, but the minorities of both have made terrorist attacks on the UK, so surely its difficult to separate one religion from the other. I find this slavish devotion to the USA quite pathetic, we should get it into our heads that we are no longer a superpower and find other countries with which to align ourselves and find our place in the world order, not as america's lap dogs.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ok Barrie
Northern Ireland and the yanks , this is all about local politics for the yanks
the yanks have a big Irish community, politicians need the Irish vote
the Irish do not like the British , British treatment of the Irish in history ,so not surprising American Irish would give cash to the I R A right or wrong it's the way it is ,100 % Irish independence is what the cash is all about
Big oil wars, this is something different to local politics, the oil is flowing from arak
Kuwait, Libya and its traded in the us dollar, not gold ,sadam kadafy and others trying to stop the link in dollar oil have all been removed or marginalised.
The west do not have gold for oil we us paper cash that we can default on without los of true wealth, = gold or land
No one will come to aid Briton in time of war ,all the globe equally despise the British we are the black sheep ,America ww2 the Americans arms industry could not resist the opportunity to make cash from the war, Jewish banks pushed for arms supplied.
The Americans are not our friends ,we don't have any, this is why we suck up to them ,,military protection in a bad world.
Normal people do not want Islam oppression or Weston big business oppression ,if you removed both we would all probably get along ,most people just wand to earn a living and bring up a family in peace
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I agree with most of what you say Keith, and this is where UKIP should be campaigning.
I don't know how much Afghanistan is costing this country every year, both in human suffering and in cash, but I'm sure there are much better things around to spend the money on, and our soldiers wouldn't be killed and injured for an american cause.
Bring our troops home, stop throwing money at an unwinnable conflict, and put the money they're throwing away into education or health, or something equally useful.
And don't think this is to say that I don't support our troops, because I am proud of our armed forces.
I don't think we're the only black sheep of the international family. France, Germany, Italy and america itself have got some pretty dire history when it comes to human rights abuses. Probably every 'civilised' country could go on the list as a matter of fact, and if we could get rid of lying cheating politicians, at every level, and massive profiteering from the corporate giants, as you say, we might be able to earn a living and bring our families up in peace.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Thank you for your reply Barrie. I agree with much of what you have said, especially regarding us being dragged into conflicts that were certainly not in our national interest, in addition to to the fact that there are indeed many other genocidel extremist groups throughout the world.
However, that said, whilst such other groups are equally despicable, they are not as powerful or as great in numbers like the followers of Islam and perhaps more importantly, unlike islamists, their long term agenda is not to rule the world.
I am not particularly singling out Islamic extremists because they attacked the USA, but because of their long history of violence and butchery and what they stand for. I`m not aware that the acts of terrorism continually committed by them in, for example, the Philippines or Thailand have anything to do with America or the West?
Long before they got involved with the USA, ( or vice versa! ) Islam was created to be the army of God ( or the army of Allah ) with the aim to rule over all other religions. That belief and mindset I believe will never change and whilst, at the moment, the majority of muslims that reside here are probably decent folk, we can`t take for granted that will always be the case in the light of the possible exposure to indoctrination and/or radicalisation.
We all strive for peace in the world and for ourselves of course, but we should not forget that peace in Islam can only exist within the Islamic world, as far as the extremists are concerned true and lasting peace can only be between muslim and muslim.
Keith B. has made some very valid points in both of his last posts which I totally agree with.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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going slightly off at a tangent now about afghanistan.
our original aims we were told was:-
a) close terrorist camps
b) stop the supply of opium/heroin .
c) bring a better life for women and children.
we are now pulling out - result.
on the first, they simply moved to other countries. on the second they are about to announce a record crop and on the last president karzai gleefully announced this week that in future no man will be prosecuted for violently/sexually abusing his wives and children.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Barrie
Ukip do campaign on a lot of these issues
Ukip have called for proper democracy in the uk
Ukip have been calling for military withdrawal from the start ,
Ukip say we should not run to America just to be in the club
Ukip have called for banking reform and prison for the guilty
I changed my vote from labour to ukip because of its fresh policies in the interest of the uk
Ukip are not perfect but the politics of ukip are pushing at the doors of Westminster and the EU
Conservative and labour on this site will all condemn ukip ,but the truth is ukip are setting the political bar, and they have all got to jump higher
The Dover regeneration Petition has got ukip all over it, They don't like it up,em
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i doubt that mr shirley will be happy with your last line keith, he took great pains to point out the he has no political connections and that the petition reflected that.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ukip was the first to sigh up to it,, now they have all jumped on the horse
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must admit the first i heard of it was on the local ukip website.
ukip were not the first to sign up though.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I certainly wouldn't condem UKIP, in fact I find myself agreeing with Keith and John more and more.
I'm still not happy with the 'army of Allah' concept, I think thats more that decent law abiding Muslims want people to join what they consider to be the 'true' religion rather than take over the world, but I can't argue the case too much as my knowledge of religions is patchy to say the least. I can remember being taught about christian missionaries being sent out from this country to do their 'good works', probably best to leave that one there.
Howard, the Afghanistan post makes my point exactly. Just because the USA wanted it...
Mind you, they made a great job of Korea and Vietnam, and the ridiculous expression 'friendly fire' always seems to spring into whats left of my mind when the US military is mentioned.