Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Winston Churchill was an advocate of gassing people and carpet-bombing urban centres, raising entire cities to the ground. One such city he ordered to be eradicated in 1945 just before the end of WW II as it was filled with fleeing German refugees: Dresden.
He had a strong dislike for whomsoever stood in his way when drawing borders: he redrew the German borders in 1944, even surprising Stalin, and made sure that these borders became ethnically effective by 1945; and he dew up borders in the Middle East in 1919.
Here, some tribes somehow got in his way, in their own homeland, and somehow needed dealing with. And Churchill dealt with them:
Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office
"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas ....
...I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article999.htm
Hopefully we won't be seeing Winston Churchill on any new £5 note.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Read the klast lone of that, Alexander - 'gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively twerror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected'. So, would you have preferred them to be machine gunned down instead? It seems to me that Churchill was looking for a more humane way to deal with matters.
As for Dresden, it was an important transport hub for the German war machine.
It is very easy is it not? to sit in the peace, comfort and freedom we have and look back in retrospect and critisise the actions of those who bought that peace and freedom.
Winston Churchill was the greatest Briton of the 20th Century, a man to whom we all owe everything. He had flaws and made mistakes but those flaws and mistakes underline his humanity and do not detract from his achievments.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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That sounds just like churchill, lets kill them humanely, and people really fall for it.
He was atypical product of the British aristocracy and should, along with the rest of them, been drowned at birth. He is no more the greatest Briton of the 20th. century than I am, and we would be far better off without him and his ilk.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Anthrax bombs where stored in Canada to be dropped on German city's if the uk was invaded in ww2
The British aristocracy would not give up there lands without payback.
I wonder what the Germans would have dun to the British people
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Contrary to what many people seem to believe, Germany did not invade Britain in 1939, or France.
Britain and France declared war on - and invaded - Germany in September 1939.
Hundreds of thousands of British soldiers were in France in 1940 trying to cross the Rhine, together with even larger French armies.
When the Wehrmacht counter-attacked through the Ardennes in 1940, Hitler gave orders to his generals to halt at Sedan, he had no intention of entering Paris and wished for a peaceful solution to the hostilities.
However, his generals thundered on towards Calais and Boulogne, cutting off almost the entire British forces who had previously marched from France into Belgium to halt the German advance.
The Wehrmacht generals, who had already disobeyed Hitler by proceeding with the offensive after taking Sedan, were about to surround and overrun almost the entire British Force - hundreds of thousands of men - as they hastily scrambled back from Belgium and were gathered in the Aras area in northern France.
Hitler arrived from Germany in France and gave very strict orders to his generals to allow the Brits to retreat to Dunkirk and embark back home.
The British High Command had been certain that only 50,000 British soldiers could be evacuated to Kent, it was a forgone conclusion the German forces were to prevail, but they had not reckoned with Hitler's decision to overrule his generals and allow the Brits to withdraw. Indeed, many French soldiers were also allowed to evacuate to Britain.
Had Hitler wanted to invade Britain, he'd have allowed his generals to carry out their encirclement of what amounted to well over half the entire British Army around Aras, and the Wehrmacht would have landed even in rowing boats unopposed in England, marched on London within five hours and Churchill would have hopped on a plane to Canada.
Churchill was an expert in rewriting history as it unfolded.
The victors rewrote WWII history.
Churchill had a fan-blooming-tastic time bombing German cities to smithereens.
Hitler had hoped Britain would not initiate - or at least not continue - the bombardments of civilian centres, he hoped the war with Britain would end altogether, but Churchill went on and bombed day in day out, thus provoking the retaliation of the Luftwaffe.
I suppose we can thank Churchill that a part of our beloved Canterbury was destroyed.
The man was definitely evil.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Barrie Nicoll wrote:That sounds just like churchill, lets kill them humanely, and people really fall for it.
He was atypical product of the British aristocracy and should, along with the rest of them, been drowned at birth. He is no more the greatest Briton of the 20th. century than I am, and we would be far better off without him and his ilk.
How very biggoted that is.
You also misrepresent entirely what Churchill said - it was nothing to do with killing at all.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander D wrote:Contrary to what many people seem to believe, Germany did not invade Britain in 1939, or France.
Britain and France declared war on - and invaded - Germany in September 1939.
Hundreds of thousands of British soldiers were in France in 1940 trying to cross the Rhine, together with even larger French armies.
When the Wehrmacht counter-attacked through the Ardennes in 1940, Hitler gave orders to his generals to halt at Sedan, he had no intention of entering Paris and wished for a peaceful solution to the hostilities.
However, his generals thundered on towards Calais and Boulogne, cutting off almost the entire British forces who had previously marched from France into Belgium to halt the German advance.
The Wehrmacht generals, who had already disobeyed Hitler by proceeding with the offensive after taking Sedan, were about to surround and overrun almost the entire British Force - hundreds of thousands of men - as they hastily scrambled back from Belgium and were gathered in the Aras area in northern France.
Hitler arrived from Germany in France and gave very strict orders to his generals to allow the Brits to retreat to Dunkirk and embark back home.
The British High Command had been certain that only 50,000 British soldiers could be evacuated to Kent, it was a forgone conclusion the German forces were to prevail, but they had not reckoned with Hitler's decision to overrule his generals and allow the Brits to withdraw. Indeed, many French soldiers were also allowed to evacuate to Britain.
Had Hitler wanted to invade Britain, he'd have allowed his generals to carry out their encirclement of what amounted to well over half the entire British Army around Aras, and the Wehrmacht would have landed even in rowing boats unopposed in England, marched on London within five hours and Churchill would have hopped on a plane to Canada.
Churchill was an expert in rewriting history as it unfolded.
The victors rewrote WWII history.
Churchill had a fan-blooming-tastic time bombing German cities to smithereens.
Hitler had hoped Britain would not initiate - or at least not continue - the bombardments of civilian centres, he hoped the war with Britain would end altogether, but Churchill went on and bombed day in day out, thus provoking the retaliation of the Luftwaffe.
I suppose we can thank Churchill that a part of our beloved Canterbury was destroyed.
The man was definitely evil.
Shame on you Alexander.
Still promoting your own perverted interpretation on history I see, full of foolish, stupid and plainly wrong assertions right from the very first line. Nobody thinks German invaded Britain or thought so then... The rest is not worth wasting time commenting on.
You will be telling us next that Hitler is a misunderstood innocent.... You really need to get a grip on reality.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This is not rubbish!
It's an intelligent presentation of history from a revisionist view, also taking into account recent research carried out with renewed criteria, ie less dependent on the Stalin version and on Churchill's warped accounts.
For example, secret documents released by the British Secret Services not many years ago reveal years of eaves dropping on German generals prisoner of war in Britain, and the information released does in fact warrant innovative research.
As for the total destruction of German cities and how it has been rubbished off, shame on you Barry and Vic!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I dare say that some people have absolutely no insight as to what the total destruction of a city is.
What it is like to have to run to the cellar or air-raid shelter, what it is like when whole streets come crashing down and fires burn all around, or when people set alight with phosphorous go running and screaming through the streets and jump into a river, only to burn even more through the chemical reaction of the water.
Churchill was a murderer of the worst kind!
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Alexander D wrote:I dare say that some people have absolutely no insight as to what the total destruction of a city is.
What it is like to have to run to the cellar or air-raid shelter, what it is like when whole streets come crashing down and fires burn all around, or when people set alight with phosphorous go running and screaming through the streets and jump into a river, only to burn even more through the chemical reaction of the water.
My mother told me how she experienced all those feelings when she was living on Snargate St at the start of the war, and being bombed and shelled on an almost daily basis.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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Alexander, me beeing a german citizen, I dont think this thread is a great thing. Surely you can do better then this.
I am not proud what happen in the past especially WW2. We where all ashamed what had happend. As where I grew up we wherent even aloud to talk about it.
As for the Millions and billions of People died, its still something to chew on.
German citizen who grow up now at least starting getting their pride back up again. Simply by saying, "Its past, its History and needs remembered, but we cant take the blame and shame the german government back then with ww2."
I am not for one to speak about ww2 and the politics back then, as this to me is still red tape.
Please take the respect and close this thread, its only causing heartache, upsets and confusion. Some Topics should stay in the draw.
thank you for reading
more sad then mad :(
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Jan Higgins
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It did not take you long after rejoining to start posting rubbish, are you trying to wind us up like you did previously with your odd view of the world as the rest of us know it.
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Bob Whysman
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It's good to see some life being re-injected into a thread that had become so tame that it was in danger of becoming dormant or worse still sensible!
Alexander you have excelled yourself in your ranting ability to raise hackles by rewriting history in a manner which would make the Monty Python's Circus of bygone days look like an upmarket documentary.
Are times that hard Alexander D that you have to resort to hysterical postings aimed at winding up other Forumer's just to plug your song?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsW4FoRzhQwDo nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 1172- Registered: 28 Jan 2014
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"Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."
― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought the syria thread was surreal but this takes the wafer, i would love to know what it is about.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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oh the syria thread... is one to go on about for a long time. Unfortunately, History is a bitter subject, if this is about war. It always will be.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Heike, I will not be subjected to censor.
You do not have any personal patronage over history.
In this Country, people are allowed to talk about massacres carried out by governments, and furthermore the thread took the drift it did, for example in response to Barry's point.
I will if necessary stand in front of all adversity to uphold this sacrosanct right, and shall never give in to tyranny.
Also there is a plan to print a new £5 note with Winston Churchill on it, and I as a British citizen have the right to bring the topic up and note my objections.
Also, the British Government currently has a nuclear arms strategy that would, in case of war, see total genocide carried out.
I will bring any subject up I see fit to the common good of Britain and of Mankind.
To close this thread would be inhibiting freedom of speech.
And please be informed that many people on this Forum - including myself - have parents or other relatives who have either taken refuge in cellars owing to air raids over their house, or have actually seen streets going up in flames.
I have a parent who saw from the distance a whole city being burned down through bombs.
My aim is to promote the idea that this may never happen again, and that my Country neither receives nor deals out any such horrendous acts of terror. Starting with presenting Winston Churchill in the real light.
This also goes for bombing populations in far off countries (see "uncivilised tribes" at top of thread).
I have seen on TV in my own hitherto lifespan NATO planes in the act of bombing towns and cities.
I will not close down this thread whether you, or anyone else here, likes it or not. Claro?!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bob Whysman, I believe in the Fair Lady, and have the right to practice and express my Christian Faith.
This thread puts in appropriate light the horrors of Society forgetting Christ and going after madmen!
I will not be shut up. OK!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan Higgins, this thread is only rubbish where the objectionable rubbishing off posts come into it, including your own.
Brian Dixon
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not me this time howard.
