Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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why do p&o insist you go todecks 8 and 9 to smoke,while seafrance and norfolk line allow outside on deck 7.im thinking on the lines of diabled people having to clime 6 steep flights of stairs here,also i am thinking about those people who also not quite able to clime staires ie those people who have to use crutches etc.when there are open decks on deck 7 that they use.i am sure of ld line havent had a chance to try it yet.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Quite clearly P & O have taken your best wishes to heart by allowing you to smoke nearer to God..chances are all you smokers are half way there already Brian!!
Ah Im just kidding!
Seriously though I dont think its anyones policy nowadays to make things easier for smokers..Im afraid thats the name of the game in the 21st century. They tend to get banished so they dont upset the other customers by coughing spluttering and wheezing all over the place
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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paul
i think the point that brian was making was that smokers with disabilities are being harshly treated.
any smoking on any ferry is in the open air, no problem to others.
Until the smokers come in, and are rather smelly. Some are ok - I have a friend who smokes and I never, or rarely, smell it on him - but there are some who simply reek, and it is frankly nauseating. I do not want that next to me on board a ship!!!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You will probably find that different boats have decks on different levels
Been nice knowing you :)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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bern,would you expect a disabled person to walk up 4 or 5 steep flights of stairs to have a smoke no you wouldnt wood you.i know you dislike smoking so i cant blame you realycan i.p&o are the only ferry firm that does this this is my point.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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bern
as i said in my post, smoking is only allowed on outside decks.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howards right there bern.it has been like that for about two years now.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Bern as a non drinker I do not want people reeking of booze next to me but hey we cannot always get what we want can we...
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Gosh - all I said was I don't like to be next to people who smell bad!!! Brian - I do not recall mentioning disabled people......perhaps my memory is going. Howard - whatever smokers like to think, the smell generally sticks to them like BO mostly - like I said, I have some smoker friends who never reek, but there are many others who really do reek and it does make me feel sick. I need you to note that I have not said anything about anyone else, claimed that I am right above anyone else, and have not made personal comments about individuals. Just crossing the t's and dotting the i's.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Quite clearly the disabled have to follow the same rules and laws as the rest of us, so there are no exemptions. However if they do indeed have to climb half way to the stars to have a fag on P&O then perhaps it should be looked at as nobody wants to see the disabled inconvenienced needlessly. However there is little sympathy for smokers these days so their plight is unlikely to bother anybody too much in the higher echelons of P&O.
Its the smoker aspect that gets the priority here. If it was singularly a disabled problem full stop then I feel sure everyone would do their best to solve it.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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thanks bern,paulb there are decks on p&o that are deck 7 level in which people could use but p&o choose to lock or block these doors for some reason.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Brian, as one smoker to another, you will receive no sympathy here and I would save your breath for all those stairs.
There is a vast amount of air conditioning equipment onboard ferries and arranging segregated areas for smokers with the smoke being exhausted directly outside giving an identical result to standing outside smoking would not present the slightest problem. The sole reason for making smokers go outside in the cold and wind and rain is that Big Brother has decreed that a cowed populace will submit meekly to his dictate or suffer punitive fines. Smokers are a soft target and much easier to boss around than those partaking of alternative pleasures such as drink and drugs.
Norfolk Line have a very large smoking area on the after end of the main passenger deck so passengers can usually find somewhere out of the wind, although it may be a bit nippy. P&O have always had very limited deck space in order to force passengers to remain inside the accommodation where they are spending money. The areas that are blocked off are those outside crew cabins where passengers would disturb crewmembers attempting to sleep as P&O work week on, week off.
Norfolk Line crew work two weeks on, two weeks off but the crew cabins are segregated from the passenger areas. Smoking is also banned for crew members in their cabins and the rest of the accommodation. The only facility provided is a bus shelter on the after end in a wind tunnel underneath the engine room vents. This knowledge will doubtless cause great glee amongst the non-smokers on the forum. Don't worry, your turn is coming. Great numbers of your pubs have already closed down as a result of having their core clientele of smokers evicted and there are more to go as Big Brother continues to increase the price of booze. A small consolation but one from which I derive a certain measure of satisfaction, schadenfreude works both ways.
Get over yourself.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bern start smoking again.ed,if all smokers got together sat in one and started smoking wot could or would do about it.
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How Ed can say "smoking would not present the slightest problem" is completely wrong, it is a proven fact that smoking and passive smoking kills, smokers have every right to smoke, their choice, but they do not have the right to pollute the air for other's, hence the smoking bans. I was a smoker when working down the pits and we all had no problems not having a fag for 8-10 hours, surely people can do without the weed for a short channel hop?
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Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am so totally with Bern on this. Bern have you noticed than when some people know they're wrong they get all defensive and stroppy? lol
Right - Bern has said nothing about disabled people - but I'm going to. My husband is disabled, he has MS, and has great difficulty walking. He goes on a P&O ferry with a friend about every other week and thoroughly enjoys it. The friend he goes with doesn't smoke so if he wants one he goes up on deck 8 or 9. Sometimes she goes up with him sometimes not. Oh and incidentally Brian - there are lifts up as far as deck 7 so he only has to walk up one flight of stairs!! His attitude is that if he wants to smoke he needs to be away from people who don't like it. If his legs are very bad on the day he goes without until he's off the ship - as Gary said, surely an hour and a half isn't long to go without. At home he goes outside to smoke out of consideration for me and any visitors we have, specially the grandchildren. He doesn't smoke in the car either. I also agree with Bern about some smokers smelling of cigarettes - I hate that too and it makes me feel sick as well. I must admit I do smell it on my husband sometimes but at least he tries to keep it away from us, and he doesn't moan about it either!!
Passive smoking kills as Gary said - would you be happy if a madman with a loaded gun was running wild? Just as lethal.
Smoking is anti social, dangerous and smelly ......... oh and for the record, I gave it up 32 years ago!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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deck 9 on the burgandy,lift stops at deck 8 then 2 steep flights of stairs.the 3 new seafrance ferrys deck 7 aft end all nice and level also deck 8 if you have a meal.the smoking ban has killed the pub and ferry trade somthing rotten and you wonder why pubs and clubs are closeing and the ferry trade is in decline.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it would be interesting to hear from dave on this one, a lifelong publican.
my understanding that there are many contributing factors to the closure of pubs, the smoking ban being one of them.
Thank you Jacqui!!! Much appreciated!
There is much talk about pubs/ferries/whatever being badly hit by the smoking ban/taxes/wnatever: in truth, leisure facilities change and morph to meet changing tastes and needs, those that don't or can't adapt fall by the wayside. That is human nature and market forces.