Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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"How Ed can say "smoking would not present the slightest problem" is completely wrong, it is a proven fact that smoking and passive smoking kills, smokers have every right to smoke, their choice, but they do not have the right to pollute the air for other's, hence the smoking bans."
Totally agree that passive smoking is a very bad thing and that smokers do not have the right to pollute the air for others. The point I was making was that a dedicated sealed smoking room can very easily be provided within the accommodation for active smokers. Powerful exhaust fans can continuously vent the smoke to the four winds across the grey heaving wastes with not a passive smoker in miles and just a lonely seagull to sniff the Rothmans.
"It would be interesting to hear from dave on this one, a lifelong publican."
Dave posted on this a few weeks ago in response to the usual 'makes my clothes smell" stuff from Barry. He said in no uncertain terms that he had run fifteen pubs and that the smoking ban was far and away the principal factor involved in the closure of so many pubs.
"There is much talk about pubs/ferries/whatever being badly hit by the smoking ban/taxes/wnatever: in truth, leisure facilities change and morph to meet changing tastes and needs, those that don't or can't adapt fall by the wayside. That is human nature and market forces. "
I suppose that is one way of viewing a cataclysmic body blow engendered by a total ban imposed by government diktat. The intelligent and democratic way to segregate smokers from non-smokers would have been to have permitted a proportion of pubs to be dedicated to smokers with the rest reserved for non-smokers.
Anyway, I rest my case. The last thing I want to be involved in is yet another depressing thread on the rights and wrongs of smoking, with the same entrenched and intractable views regurgitated ad nauseam by both sides. I just think that it could all have been done so much more intelligently with the rights and delights of both sides being respected and without the concomittant wholesale decimation of so many of our lovely old boozers.
That is what people used to say about slavery and free trade.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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intresting post there bern where did you dig that up from.the smoking thing on the ferrys if they dont want you to smoke on the inside of the ferry why do they sell cigeretts at the bars and duty free shops.
Guest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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andrew,simple queastion not rocket sience.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Without continually repeating myself the smoking ban has been the major contributor to the decline in pubs, however I am not qualified to comment on the effects of the ban on the ferries.
The initial plan was that rather than a blanket ban there should be a system where the ordinary corner boozer was exempt from the ban whereas establishments that also sold food were subject to the ban. A perfectly reasonable compromise as it gave people a choice, however a free vote in the Commons voted in favour of the blanket ban. The effect upon the trade was instant thus causing the demise of many viable and friendly pubs.
It was considered that the non-smokers would fill the gap in that they would suddenly start going out to their local but unfortunately that never materialised.
I generally found that those who had never smoked, like my daughters never worried about people smoking around them whereas those that had given it up were always the ones that objected.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Dave - I think the reason for that is because having made the effort to give up smoking they object to having to inhale other peoples smoke. I do feel sorry for some landlords but I still think the government did the right thing.
Brian - What a very silly comment!! Does your reasoning mean if I go into Argos and buy a vacuum cleaner I have to clean the store? If I go into Lawrences and buy one of their excellent meat pies, must I consume it on site? If I go into the library and borrow a book must I read it before I leave? No of course not, I take my goods home and eat/use them there. What is wrong with buying your cheap coffin nails onboard ands taking them home?
Andrew Stevens1 - my boss says of such people "the light's on but no-body's home!"
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Jacqui
Where is Lawrences that sell 'excellent meat pies'?.
Although on a diet at present it won't last forever.....weigh in tonight at the fat club.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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jacqui,my so called silly comment was made to point out that if a area like the inside a pub,resturant and the inside the ferry are NON smoking why encourage people to buy them in the first place,oh buy the way argos have cleaners in to hoover up etc.
It is still, though, a silly analogy, be honest!!! I don't expect to have to shower in the duty free at Gatwick if I buy shower gel!!!!!!!! (I wouldn't want to scare people anyway!!)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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bern,now theres a thought, im sure that you are not that scary.
Trust me...................
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bern
However when I went to a girlie bar in Bangkok in my younger days I did expect..........
a..wait for it... a drink and not a demonstration of hands free table tennis.
Oh matron...
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Marek - it's almost opposite Terrys gaffe in London Road. I defy anyone not to like their pies, pasties and cakes!!! lol Yeah I know - I'm on a diet too but ya got to eat lol
Brian - yeah but yeah but yeah but
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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I find it interesting that the Belgiums have a totally different implementation of the EU wide anti smoking legislation. There smoking is still allowed in bars and cafes (at the owners discretion) except between 12 & 2 when the main lunch trade is being conducted, however restaurants have (rightly in my view) a complete ban on smoking. Now this seems to me to be the sensible pragmatic approach to the smoking issue, banning it where food is sold for on-site consumption, but allowing owners to respond to the demands of their customers.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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there are one or two that i go to that let you smoke while food is being served,but they are at differant ends.
How do you smoke at different ends? Is that something one might see in a bar in Bangkok...........?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bern
I tried to warn the girls that smoking damages your health.
It reminds of that old joke 'do you smoke after sex?. said one girl to another
I don't know I've never looked' she replied.
boom boom
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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bern,you eat at one end of the resturant and you smoke at the other end off the resturant,are you or were you having a senoior blonde moment.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Although I do sympathise to a certain degree with smokers having to go to great lengths to find somewhere to smoke when they are out and about in public places, I do draw the line when I see some people smoking in their cars with children on board and even babies for that matter, such a confined space to subject children to the dangers of passive smoking and I kid you not I see this a lot, shame on those who do.
