PatrickS
- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#1
A20 (Dover) - work starts on the conversion of the Prince Of Wales roundabout into a ‘T’ junction on 20th February. Jackson, civil engineers, will be undertaking the work. They have a helpful Public Liaison Officer (Carole Jones) who can be contacted on 07813 520878 or
A20Feedback@jackson-civils.co.uk
Work is to be phased. My understanding is that:-
On
Saturday 20th February work starts in relation to the Prince of Wales roundabout alteration that will see the roundabout replaced by a ‘T’ junction.
Night closures (2000 – 0600 hrs) on 20th & 21st February will take place extending from Courtwood Junction to just before the York Street roundabout, and are required to aid traffic management prior to work starting on the Prince of Wales roundabout on 22nd February. A reduction of two lanes to a single lane is proposed in both directions.
There will be clearly signed diversions during both night closures for vehicles wishing to access the area. Snargate residents will be escorted.
From
Monday 22nd February lane closures will be in place between Limekiln and York Street roundabouts. There will be no right turns from A20 eastbound into Union Street, nor a right turn from Union Street onto A20 eastbound on Snargate Street. Business and residential access to Snargate Street will be maintained throughout.
Traffic eastbound wishing to turn into Union Street will be diverted around York Street roundabout. Traffic from Union Street wishing to turn right will be diverted around Limekiln roundabout.
Work will not start on the York Street roundabout and further eastbound until a later date.
There are concerns regarding how local traffic will have to be rerouted once the whole scheme is completed later towards the end of the year. Traffic wishing to move from the Folkestone Road roundabout, Priory Street, Worthington Street or New Street and wishing to access York Street North, Durham Hill or Albany Place Car Park etc. will no longer be able to do so at the new York Street junction. Likewise traffic from the seafront wishing to access Dover Eastern Docks will need to travel further west in order to access the eastbound A20.
If I have any of this as incorrect I am sure other members will post any amendments
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Sorry to say at this very time this goes over my head and do not have a clue if it is going to make things better or not.
In my way of thinking all lorrys using the A20 should use the western end and the rest come to the east end of the port using the A2 taking away the use of Town wall street.But as I said I do not know if that could be done or not.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#3
I don't have a clue about 'better or not' either Vic, but thought those affected by the work might like some information about what is going on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#4
Certainly won't be better for the next year, not quite sure what they mean about "Snargate Street residents being escorted" although I note that businesses along there will not be adversely affected according to the press release.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#5
another year of misery for aycliffe and snargate residents,probably be blocked with accidents most of the time,no improvement there then.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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#6
http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/next-phase-of-key-a20-junction-work-to-get-underwa/13207/
Changes from mid-September include:
No right turn onto A20 from York Street
No right turn into York Street from Townwall Street.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
Will be interesting to see the revised routing for the Aycliffe bus.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#8
Anyone living in gateway flats is going to have fun getting to town (good luck Paul), military hill will be an even busier rat run, town will be at a standstill at least twice a day as woolcomber and york street backs up!
But its ok because extensive modelling shows traffic flows will cope well
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#9
yes I would be intrested how aycliffe residents are going get to and get back to town without using military hill.all so a small problem of people getting to work along snargate street,1 woman works a hertz rent a car,one works at the bp garage,and 6 or so at avos.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#10
Surely if there is no right turn from York Street then Military hill is not an option from the town to Aycliffe Brian?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#11
Like most of the traffic plans for Dover this was most likely thought up by someone sitting at a desk miles away who has never visited the area.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#12
howard,the bus uses military hill to go to town,because the two bus stops dock bound have been suspended,going by the plan the 3 bus stops west would be suspended to.unless they redirect the aycliffe bus via the market squarequeen street then right into York street left into military hill from there.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
#13
DDC wanted two T junctions and that's exactly what we're getting.
(Not my real name.)
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#14
Here is the plan.
Originally 'designed' to start on completion of the western section of the A20. Now to begin alongside the existing mayhem.
Apparently due to work overrun because of more extensive underground service workings than anticipated.
Whoever came up with this ludicrous plan had obviously got it in for Dover residents and businesses.
It is difficult enough already getting to and from the seafront areas south of Townwall Street into the Town. Now it will be virtually impossible without getting involved in heavy, often stationery traffic, and long diversions.
No consultation on this just the usual platitudes about clearly signed diversion etc.
All this sorry inconvenience now scheduled to go on until February next year is perfectly OK because it will assist DHB in their ambition to get more and more traffic through the Port and 'revive' the Western Docks where there will be minimal impact on Dover residents from traffic destined for that area from the A20.
The suggested improvement to the A2 route to the Port (purely just an idea at present) does not in itself relieve the problem of traffic volumes clogging up the roads around Dover.
Dover has been sacrificed to the ambitions of those who have little or no interest in regenerating our Town or preserving its history.
We do not care about explanations for why this or that is being done, or who is responsible. We can see the results only too clearly with our own eyes every single hour of every single day.
We just want our Town back. Back in the hands of those who live and work here.
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PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#15
Jacksons, the civil engineers working on the A20 into and out of Dover, have published information concerning 2 night closures in Dover and restrictions at York Street junction in addition to those already in place at Union Street.
"The closure will involve sections of the A20 extending from the Court Wood Junction to just after York Street Junction. Timings for the closure will be from 2000hrs on the 10th September to 0500hrs on 11th September, and 2000hrs on the 11th September to 0500hrs on 12th September"
.".....residents that require access to Snargate Street during this time will be escorted through the works by a member of the traffic team."
Once installed lane closures will be in place between Limekiln Junction and Woolcomber Street Junction.
During these closure there will be no right turns from either York Street onto Snargate Street, or Townwall Street onto York Street.
Those wishing to exit the town centre via York Street will now have to go down to the Eastern Docks roundabout, back along Townwall Street and Snargate Street (or as someone recently observed 'Snarlgate Street'), a route already congested with traffic due to heavy port movements, exisiting works and lane closures, adding to already overburdened traffic volumes.
Alternatively, turn left into Woolcomber Street, turn round via Castle Hill, back along Woolcomber Street and right at the lights back into the A20 roadworks and single lanes.
Aycliffe and residents at the Western Heights fair just as badly as no right turn westbound into York Street means no direct route to Military Hill without going along the A20 to Limekiln roundabout and the Aycliffe roundabout. Once again increasing traffic volumes that are already stretched.
Residents south of Townwall Street, Gateway Flats, Cambridge Terrace, The Wharf, pub and resturants etc., wishing to get into town on the one way system at York Street will now have to use the eastern Marine Parade exit onto the A20, right at Woolcomber Street lights into Castle Street and Market Square to access York Street, or use Castle Hill, and Connaught Road to get to the north end of town, or alternatively go via the western end of Marine Parade and Union Street, left at Limekiln roundabout and back along the roadworks, or go over the top via Military Hill. They may also be able to sneak out via Wellesley Road if traffic on the A20 permits.
Anybody got any observations (publishable) or corrections to anything missed above or any better routes (other than staying at home)?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#16
that's clear as mud Patrick.coming from town center to aycliffe the eastern dock route will add an extra 10 minuits to an already poor service.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 509
#17
Ten minutes at a minimum, with the potential for being a lot longer. Could they not loop around to five ways and go on to Military Hill via the Market Square, or am I overlooking something ?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#18
Looks like we are for it again this week end
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#19
there is that possabilaty barrie.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
- Registered: 19 Sep 2015
- Posts: 448
#20
Sorry about the mud Brian but I think we are all well and truly in it.
