Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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2 February 2010
17:4539441Just an idea from another thread, (thank you Howard), but though I`ve heard the word like all of you many times over the years, It would be interesting to hear your views, especially with the fact that doctors have been murdered in some U.S. states, by Christian, for carrying them out. ***** Sorry Bern, I have removed the word fanatic. Only quoting someone else`s words.
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2 February 2010
17:4639442Hang on - I am not comfortable with the term fanatic. Clearly a synapse has been bypassed by someone who kills someone because they object to them killing someone (those who advocate the death penalty take note...), but it is hardly fanatical to see an unborn child as in need of protection from someone who wants to kill him or her.
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2 February 2010
17:4939443Yes, sorry Bern, I have removed the word fanatic, as I was only quoting someone else`s words.
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2 February 2010
17:5039446Hope it's not overstepping the mark to say: bless you, Colin!! You do cheer me up!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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2 February 2010
17:5539449Sometimes a posting can be read in a different meaning to what the poster originally intends to put across, as I`ve seen on here a few times before, and that is what has happened here. So, views on the above topic with no other bits added.
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2 February 2010
18:2339458I am against abortions sadly i have had former mates that thought no more than having a termination after a one night stand. They should only be used in rape cases or if severly ill within the womb.
Guest 657- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2010
19:0839461I know this probably won't make me popular but personally I believe it is a woman's right to choose. I think safe and legal abortion should be available to all women. I do not believe in abortion as a method of contraception and I think that the upper limit for termination should be cut from 24 to 20 weeks. Incidentally I was raised as a Catholic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 February 2010
19:3439466jeane
an argument against your view is that woman is choosing to kill an unborn child.
another argument would be about the father having a say.
i suspect that there will be very strong views on this topic.
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2 February 2010
20:3339474Yes Howard as I said I probably won't make myself popular; I just stated my personal opinion. I don't judge or get drawn into arguments about it because it's a very emotive subject and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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2 February 2010
21:3039477I have heard this referred to before as killing an unborn child, but if it`s unborn, is that still killing it? Is it to do with human life because some consider we`re such a good species that no other living being matters? And what about when we`re all having a good nosh up at the local Chinese/Indian restaurant, does anybody really care about other humans dying in the world of hunger and disease? Please Note, I`m not giving a personal point of view here, I`m asking the basic question, how far do you place human life?
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2010
22:2039479I am anti abortion except in extreme circumstances, it should not be used as an alternative to contraception and the deadline must be reduced to 20 weeks.
2 February 2010
22:3239480Jeanne has it spot on in my view. I am not, and never will be, anti-abortion and I will always be pro a death penalty. I think I read somewhere tht over 30% of freed/paroled murderers kill again. A life sentence should be exactly that but for some cases a termination is thoroughly warranted.
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2 February 2010
23:0339490surprisingly, i must agree with blue barry on this, nowadays prospective mums and dads get pics from x rays to see a human being inside the mum.
colin
i respect human and animal life.
i am not a veggie or a sandal wearer, just hate to see pointless killing.
when i inherited my cat from next door, people said about getting her neutered, i waited until she had another litter before i did so.
knowing her social habits i just thought that there may be unborn in her otherwise.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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2 February 2010
23:3939493The unborn child has the right to live, so I am anti abortion except for genuine medical reasons or rape and I agree with Barry, the deadline should be reduced.
However while we discuss life, I am in favor of euthanasia in very exceptional circumstances where life has no more meaning and or the patient is in extreme pain.
I watched my mother die in absolute agony in Buckland Hospital, she screamed in extreme pain for hours and I have the shame of saying I looked out of the window and prayed she was given peace. To me people who say outright no to euthanasia have never watched someone die in agony and with no hope of living.
3 February 2010
00:1339495I'm 100% "pro choice" so I guess that means I am pro abortion. Guys - you cannot be for abortion in special cases only (such as rape) as it amounts to the same thing - the so-called "death of an infant". You either have to be for it or against it. If you are for it in rape cases then you are basically for abortion, but you would choose to deny the choice to someone who wants an abortion for any other reasons (such as financial, religious or social etc). This is hypocracy. For or against?
At the end of the day women should be allowed to make their own minds up without politicians and society at large (in other words US LOT) sticking oars in. Take away the right legally and you end up with an underground "black market" in unsafe abortion or hugely expensive trips to countries where it is legal (I'm pointing my finger at you, Ireland!).
If a woman wants an abortion - for ANY reason - she will find a way to have one if it isn't readily available as a safe, reliable service such as we have here. The moral question isn't unimportant, but while we all argue and moralize on the subject, women should not be denied the choices that nobody else is qualified to override.
3 February 2010
08:3939501Rick is, in his own special way, right. You can't have "a bit of a murder". However, even as a feminist (so shoot me) I am not a supporter of abortion. A womans right to choose also includes saying no and being responsible for her own fertility. Doing the deed implies taking the conseqeunces, and killing a child because you don't want it seems the extreme end of the market economy. Womens rights do nor override those of others, including children. Id she then chooses to risk her own health or life in seeking abortion elsewhere that is her choice too.
Guest 662- Registered: 18 Mar 2008
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3 February 2010
10:0339504Wow, this is a bit heavy for Dover Forum isnt it.
I'm with Jeane on this one. If abortion was illegal do you really think that it would stop! it would be like going back in time with back street abortionists, unnecessary deaths of young women who may not be getting the right advice and still the unborn child dies, women going off to have babies on their own and leaving them in railway stations and hospital doorways.
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3 February 2010
10:1039505I think this is a step too far - from the USA.
The Web-docuseries called The Bump and it is being described by one source as "Jerry Springer meets Oprah meets American Idol meets . . . America's conscience."
Each week, a new pregnant woman in a different life circumstance will be presented to the viewers. At the end of the episode, the viewers will decide whether she keeps the baby...or whether she has an abortion. The "pregnant" women are not really with child. They are all just actors. The idea of the show supposedly came to the executive producers after President Barack Obama's commencement address at Notre Dame University last year. He said something that really resonated with the creators of The Bump. Barack said he wanted "to find ways to communicate about a workable solution to the problem of unintended pregnancies."
The creators of The Bump hope the show can "humanise" the debate over abortions by presenting different circumstances to people who have perhaps never considered before constructing their opinion on the subject. Examples of the episodes include a woman who is married but got pregnant after her husband's departure to Iraq, a victim of domestic violence and another woman who just wants to be on a TV show!
The pilot episode premiered yesterday and can be viewed on the show's website as well as YouTube. Viewers are encouraged to comment and discuss each episode in length, though the comments will be monitored "to ensure civility."
This is one hell of social experiment.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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3 February 2010
14:0239514Lots of interesting postings with many different views, and how nice that you can discuss touchy subjects without being shouted down or heckled, and living in a country of free speech and idea`s which is often taken for granted.
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Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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3 February 2010
16:5639524I'm with Jeane and Sid; it has to be about choice. Simply being for or against this most divisive of issues is ignoring too many variables of a sensitive nature. And - sorry about this, Rick - it ignores religious beliefs too; I know agnostics and atheists will not go along with this, but the fact is that some hold very strong religious views over this and their voices count every bit as non-believers.
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