Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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7 February 2009
18:4814902A 3 month old baby died today, although not yet confirmed its thought the baby was savaged at a relatives house by 2 dogs, sadly the baby died
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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7 February 2009
18:5414903Gawd yes I heard something about this already and its yet another sad case. Many similar cases have happened over the years and we used to have some heated discussions about it on the old old old forum. Unfortunately people dont heed either the warnings or the pitfalls. They always assume their own dog wouldnt do such a thing. Big mistake, especially if you have one of these attack type breeds. The dogs in true animal protection form feel their territory is being invaded by another animal. The result is often fatal.. for the babies.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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7 February 2009
19:0114907Terrible news indeed, I believe the breeds involved in the killing were a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and a Jack Russell.
Guest 668- Registered: 13 Apr 2008
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7 February 2009
19:0814908Thats horrible! Why are people still stupid enough to leave small children/babies unsupervised with dogs!
Brian Dixon
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7 February 2009
20:1714914just read the report about this ,it was a staffidshire bull terrior and a jack russell.both have been put down since it happend.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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7 February 2009
21:1314916on newes dogs still around
but point is as paulb says and others say any dog should not be left alone with babies
presuming that is wot happened
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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8 February 2009
07:3014920Not so Keef, according to this mornings BBC News, the dogs, breeds as mentioned earlier, have been destroyed. Quite right too as once they get a taste for it they will do it again. A post mortem has or is being carried out on the child to determin the exact cause of death.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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8 February 2009
09:1914924Surely the cause of the baby's death, was the dogs savaged it !
Awareness, common sense and supervision is the best practice, but so many times, none are employed and it's too late then to be sorry.
Roger
8 February 2009
09:2814926I can't help noticing that this is yet another case of its kind where the child was in the care of the grandmother. If my own family is anything to go by, grandparents so often think they know best and ignore the advice and rules of the parents, even as far as not using seat belts on car journeys (which put an effective stop to car outings with Nan and Grandad!!) As far as I am concerned, the childrens health and safety come first and Nan and Grandads hurt feelings and protestations go for nothing!!!
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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8 February 2009
12:2214941Hi
Since my posting news updated
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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8 February 2009
21:3614974I remember, as PaulB says, this subject being argued out on the very old forum. As I remember I was shouted down for my thoughts but I still feel the same. Babies and dogs do not mix - end of. I don't care how much dog owners protest, I will never change my mind. Yet again a small baby has lost its life because of a dog. Dogs can kill - any dog has that potential. Apart from the danger of attacks, there's also the hygeine thing. Owner takes dog for a walk, dog runs around treading in goodness knows what then goes home and treads same into your carpet. Baby starts crawling - where does he crawl? On the carpet. Yuk! Then theres fleas, ok most good pet owners de flea them but they still come in contact with others who don't.
In reply to Bern - yes I think you're right in what you say but I have to say that as the proud nan of five grandchildren I have never and will never put any of them or any future grandchildren in danger in this way because I would never let a dog near any of them, anywhere, and as far as seatbelts and restraints go - I am red hot on that. No-one travels in our car without a seat belt, safety seat or restraint. I would never over rule something my children had told me concerning their childrens safety, as far as I'm concerned they know best not me.
Right - now I shall wait for all the irate dog owners to have a go at me, but I will say this - can any of you be 110% sure that your dog would never turn nasty - ever? Of course you can't which proves my point!
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
8 February 2009
21:4914978I love dogs and miss ours, who died a year ago. But you are right - unless there is 100% supervision at all times, it is not worth the risk. I have never and would never leave any of my children alone with any dog, even our soppy old things!!
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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8 February 2009
22:0014983Jacqui I am a dog owner and you are right,I have a Bishon Friese a white lap dog,but I agree all dogs can do harm and yes can kill.A dog is loyal to its masters and if they see an intruder then the dog may react accordingly,if the 'intruder' is a baby or a small child then as we have seen it can have a tragic outcome.I was listening to a debate on the radio about a Dachhund who killed a child years ago.
But......Much depends on how the dog was brought up or trained,and of course if it is a single dog and if in a group then they can get more aggresive.
My Bishon is a small dog,but it will protect our house,and if you knock on my door it will react with a bark that sounds as if it comes from a larger dog,yet she is great company,and when she is used to you as a visitor she calmes down.
You will probably be shocked as I think NO dog should be let loose in the Town without a lead on,and some dogs should be muzzled.Dog owners should be fined when they are outside if they are off the lead in a public place,and if they mess and the owner doen't clean up.People will say that this is difficult to enforce,agreed,but if the Dog Warden had the right to ask each dog owner if they had a method to clean up after thier dog,if they didn't just wait a little while and the fine is in the bag so to speak.
My dog is trated for fleas and has her own beautician,but worse that dog fleas are Cat fleas.But you are right no one should leave a child anywhere alone with any Dog,because any dog can do something wrong.
Now I might have upset Dog Lovers and I am one.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 February 2009
23:1014995good to hear that charlie is still with you john.
she seems a very understanding dog.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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8 February 2009
23:2315000Jacqui
I have to agree with you and I get fed up with dog owners telling me that their dog loves children and never bites....it only takes the once...and I would never ever forgive myself if anything happened to my three kids through my carelessness or my inability to sometimes upset a dog owner by declining their offer to let Natascha feed or play with their pet german ridge back one eyed staffordshire bull terrier mix.
Dogs and kids don't mix they are both unpredictable so supervision is the name of the game.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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9 February 2009
08:5815007Jacqui yes in the old days it used to get a bit heated for sure as there were quite a number of aggressive dog breed owners onboard who didnt see anything wrong with leaving the dogs with the kids, as it would never happen with their dogs kind of thing. But I think history proves that they were in general terms wrong, as since those early years and early debates there have been quite a few child deaths all with the same pattern.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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9 February 2009
21:0515065Although lives lost is few one death is enough!!!
As Jacqui says dogs and babies dont mix.
What i will ssay is dog owners out walking dogs should be respondsible and if there not they should not be alloweed to own one.
