howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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you were right about the election result keith so we have to listen to you.
i never saw the gaffes from nick, when i switched on there was a civilised discussion between hague and one of the millibands.
the sort of stuff i like to listen to, rather than than the double glazing salesman and the idiot harperson.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
- Posts: 3,391
HOWARD
Blimey go easy all this agreement lol
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Today's excellent editorial in the ToryGraph is worth reading. Basically its premise is that Cameron has 2 coalitions to manage, the other one being the Tory party itself.
Another point made is that, as the coalition have managed to upset both the right wing of the Conservative party and the left wing of the LibDems, they must have got it about right. The Labour party is irrelevant in all this, they will be out of office for a generation. UKIP is also irrelevant, they aren't going to win a seat at Westminster as long as there is a hole in my trouser pocket.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Dont worry about the coalition, whatever Labour might like to think they are locked together in adversity and will not want an election until the fruit are showing after the pain. That is why a 5 year agreement has been made.
Howard - what do you mean Keith got the election result right? He thought Gwyn Prosser would win Dover, I said that I would be surprised if Charlie had less than 5,000 majority.
The reason for the hung parliament is more to do with electoral bias in the system favouring Labour combined with the unforseen (by most) impact of the leadership debates. Cleggy should never have been given equal billing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
you know perfectly well what i meant, over a year go keith predicted a hung parliament, the rest of us just foresaw a blue landslide.
you are right about the reds, they will want time to regroup under the new leadership.
i still think that the poision chalice theory is a valid one.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,701
Why not Barry?
He is leader of the 3rd largest party and deserved to be part of the debate, or did you want a one on one format or perhaps just you man talking at/to the electorate - oh hang on the last one is a party political broadcast; which all parties are entitled to in proportion to their representation (sort of)
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross - I would have had the debates between the PM and Leader of the Opposition.
Howard - that was wishful thinking on Keith's part, it really was the best he could hope for. A landslide was never likely given the electoral arithmatic, it was a mountain to climb despite any hopeful thinking. The only thing that was sure was the the public would not be so stupid as to re-elected the failed Labour government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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- Posts: 62,352
barry
you speak of electoral arithmetic, 63% of the electorate voted against the blues.
if the alternative vote system came in(which it will not of course) the blues and reds would never have unadulterated power again.
sounds good to me, i am fully supportive of every vote counting for something.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - AV is a debate yet to happen, lets leave it to the referendum.
You were quite happy with Labours, 63 seat majority gained in the 2005 election when Labour's share of the vote was lower than the Conservative 2010 share. What is more the Conservative share of the vote in 2005 was higher than Labour achieved in 2010.....
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barryw,there are two hopes on any kind of referendum and one of them is dead.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i am in favour of a voting system that reflects the will of the electorate.
that will never happen because the big two parties gain power under the present system.
the debate and referendum is a foregone conclusion.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
- Posts: 3,391
HOWARD;
You are correct I stated it would be a hung parlianment(and they should be lol)
where as barryw forecast a tory outright win.
so showed i was more in line with public opinion.
None of this has owt to do with the Labour party, this is about the coalition crumbling, yes, very slowly, but never the less the cracks are starting to appear, and cleggs gaffs and tories immediate correction on his his gaffs stating he wasn't speaking for the government??????
18 months
you heard it here first
