Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 August 2010
22:1767518 Maybe we can`t do anything with it, but nature can. Taken a week ago, in the warm evening sunshine. Some things can be viewed from a different perspective.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 August 2010
22:2267522that carbuncle will haunt the next generation of dovorians, vic was right on this one.
27 August 2010
22:2367523I think it would make an excellent 5* hotel and casino.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 August 2010
22:2667525Sure you`re right Howard, but if everything in this town was perfect, this forum wouldn`t exist.
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Jan Higgins
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27 August 2010
22:2867527Sorry Colin, the flowers are nice but I think it is still bloody ugly, the sooner it goes the better.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 August 2010
22:3167528nice one colin, the problem with burly is that the owners earn a small fortune from mobile phone masts and do not pay any business rate.
our roger is or was trying to do something about this anomaly.
once the owners are forced to pay out then there is a chance of that monstrosity coming down.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 August 2010
22:3767533I`ll take another image when those flower`s are dead and gone Jan, and on a dull dismal day. I`m sure I`ll agree with you then. But what actually makes it look like that do you think? Is it the colour of the building, the height of it, or maybe that it`s just a one off building sitting there dwarfing other building`s round it? Anyone?
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27 August 2010
22:3967534I reckon it's because it has sat empty for so many years. If it were a hub of local employment folks might view it differently.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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27 August 2010
22:5167540Just showing my ignorance here.
If they are earning from the mobile phone masts, why are they not paying some if not all business tax. Do people have to work in the building for them to pay.
As for the building it is ugly and always has been, the older it gets the worse it looks. I think there are very few buildings from that period that look OK however well maintained they are.
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 August 2010
22:5467542Maybe they could put that Market Square big screen on the side there, and each would compliment the other?
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27 August 2010
23:3067546Nature can do its best or worse for Burlington house it wont make any differance it will always be a "S*** H**e!!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 August 2010
06:4867553Jan, they don't pay any businesses rates because it is deemed uninhabitable and therefore has the same status as if it had been demolished: no building, no business rates.
The fact that they make money from these masts should be enough to ensure the owners pay rates - what stupid laws we have.
All this while local small businesses are paying far too much in business rates for the level of trading they are doing.
Peter at Blakes in Castle Street started a petition some months ago to get the government to charge them for rates, but it had to be suspended for the election, maybe we ought to start it up again.
Roger
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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28 August 2010
07:2267554Thanks Roger as you say we do have some stupid laws.
As you say business rates can cripple you they were one of the reasons we had to close ours that and the fact we had not had a holiday for eight years. We only lasted that long because we loved what we were doing. Working up to 16hours a day for 7 days a week because you don't take enough money to pay staff, in the end you just run out of steam.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 August 2010
07:4167555Well it is back with us again,as some of you might know I have been on about this building for years now and that it should come down,and I also told you that it will be with us for over 6years more and that was now over 3years ago that I said that,well I was wrong by ten years it will still be there unless it falls down till the year 2016.
But what you might not know is that many years ago before it went up,I wrote a letter saying that it should not go up becase it would block out the front to all behind it,and all you would see from your bedroom window is this office block.
I was told like I am told some times today that I did not know what I was talking about,and that it would bring lots of jobs etc to Dover.I went on to say,"You will not be saying that in 25years time when you want it down. I rest my case.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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28 August 2010
08:1767569#11. Jimmy, you`re right of course, as are all others on here, but as it`s there, I thought I`d give it a refreshing new look to see if you all started falling in love with it. Of course, we can`t view it all the time from behind some distant flower`s, or have permanent evening sunshine on it, but like Watkin`s folly, it`ll be talked about for year`s to come, and I`m sure some future Dovorian`s will criticise us for not having any taste in architecture.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 August 2010
08:3367580Colin you are very right about that but in the 1960s building all over the UK were going up just like that one,you only have to come out of the blackwall tunnel and look on the left to see the very tall blocks of old flats that are still there to see it.
Keith Sansum1
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28 August 2010
08:3667584Sooner it goes the better
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28 August 2010
15:4467618If it were modenrinsed and converted to a 5* hotel and employed 300-400 locals would we feel the same about it?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 August 2010
15:4867620if that pipe dream happened and we were able to find enough people to stay in a 5 class hotel here then we can be assured that all the staff will be recruited from an agency abroad to avoid paying a living wage to people here.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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28 August 2010
16:0567625Just to remind ourselves of another pipe dream...there was a hotel scheduled in the DTIZ development. Remember that...I think Im remembering it said 100 bedrooms or something. The cost of refurbishing and redesigning Burlington House would be prohibitive. It would have been looked at then Im sure, at the DTIZ time, and they probably assessed that it would be a lot cheaper to build from scratch.
In the case of The Churchill on the seafront, refurbishment is the only option there, as location and building is all in that case.
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