Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
- Posts: 7,819
24 September 2008
08:396515Yes Paul its a bit worrying. I have heard some whispers about the airspace above the Gateway..so it could be possible that these contraptions will be going virtually right over my head. Presumably knocking value off the properties. Not ideal. Clearly too my balcony fun and frolics will have to be curtailed..ooh I say! mustnt shock the tourists
I thought initially this was an april fool joke this cable car, but by the look of things it has some motivation to it. I wouldnt be against a cable car, as it could be an exciting innovation, but we would need to be clear where exactly the thing is going to run. Perhaps if I got free acess to it for life it might soften my position !!lol
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
24 September 2008
08:486516Paul you should have been aware of this .Your committee have been kept up to date The transfer of lease will give you information .
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
24 September 2008
09:486520Mr Aziz and the Chief Exec of EH are behind it (not sure who else is though!!!)
Been nice knowing you :)
24 September 2008
10:386525About time the great-and-good cut the wires on the preposterous cable car idea and sent the whole, laughable headline-grabbing bit of nonsense crashing to the ground - preferably onto Burlington House.
Give us a proper vibrant town first, then we can talk cable cars.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
24 September 2008
16:326549here here andrew and gob bless all those who dangle in the damm thing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
24 September 2008
19:176556what will happen to the money being spent on it?
will it come to us to decide what to spend it on?
i think not.
it will go back into central government coffers.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
- Posts: 1,610
24 September 2008
21:296567Or to DDC to pass to Dover Pride to pass to DHB and English Heritage.........
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
24 September 2008
21:466571i think that you may have missed all the others i.e SEERA, SEEDA, DAEOMA.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,695
27 September 2008
14:586684Surely the point is the money is:
a) for cultural lead regeneration &
b) requires some element of match funding.
Now as for the first point there are an awful lot of things that could be construed as cultural that we could use the money on that will make a much bigger difference to the regeneration of Dover to the maximum benefit of the people of Dover. The sticker however, is the second and this is sadly where the current plans steal a march on anything else being discussed as EH are prepared to put some money up.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,039
I am going to stick my neck out here and give the idea a cautious thumbs up.
It's the easiest thing in the world to gleefully spray out flak from the unimpeachable security of a cyber-pillbox.
But have we considered the visitor pulling power of a cable car? Its USP is that it is - as far as I know - unique in South East England. The only other cable cars I have heard of in the UK are at Llanduddno in North Wales and the Scottish ski resorts.
Best of all, a cable car has child appeal - far more than the ill-fated White Cliffs Experience. A touch of the funfair in a county that has lost them.
I suggest visitors could be drawn from a wide area- including the holy grail of London - by a feature such as this.
As to the point that viistors will be taken out of the town - yes they will, but they will almost all have to come back again, to get back to their cars/buses/ trains.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
I don't think it would have the appear.... why pay to catch something when you can walk up a hill in 5 minutes !!!
With most cable cars, they are taking a route that is extremely difficult otherwise, one that cannot be walked quickly (in Gibraltar it took me about an hour to get up the rock to the top station).
Been nice knowing you :)
Realistically, it is a lift up a hill in an often uncomfortable, probably expensive sometimes dangerous bubble. Even the kids will see the lack of fun in it!! A cablecar should be an alternative route in the event of a dangerous or challenging climb or pathway - there are better ways to attract people and afford views!!!!!
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
I want to be the first to go down it zip-line style if it is built though
Been nice knowing you :)
Right behind you
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
- Posts: 1,039
What better ideas do we have to attract visitors?
I maintain this appeal of this idea is its uniqueness - and not many towns in SE England could do this, becuase of geography.
For once we are thinking outside the box and I applaud that.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
- Posts: 1,610
Have long thought that a scenic lift from a point near East Cliff would afford great views over the harbour and town while being less of an eyesore than a cable car. Could also provide a setting for a coffee shop, gift shop and visitor information centre and isn't there a burnt out building there that needs replacing?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
My main objections with the cable car are
1.initial cost upkeep and maintenance
2.when will it be open ie time of the day,months of the year?
3.how often will it have to close due to high winds,fog etc
4.how much will it cost per trip are there any discounts for Dover residents
5.which market is it aimed at? cruise liner passengers who rarely stop to take breath in Dover or Tourists who are very few and far between or ferry passengers who speed along Townwall St as if their life depended on catching the next available ferry to France.
6.who will profit by it?the Castle yes but not the town centre
7.Finally Dover has a poor record with attractions,take the White Cliffs Experience as an example(and somebody did take it away)Hey DDC can't even maintain the zip wire in Pencester Play area God only knows how they'll manage with a cable car!!
The money could be better spent on an inner "city" farm on the DTIZ site which would be great for the enviroment,great for the community,great for day trips for local school kids and the surrounding areas,great for the less able bodied,great for the pensioners and hopefully a great local tourist attraction.Surrounded by gift shops cafes,bars and kids indoor play area it could prove to be an eco friendly goldmine.
Now that's thinking out of the "box".
Marek Ol'McDonald
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
Agree with you there Marek
A better idea would be to invest in a fleet of buses (vintage perhaps) that can run circuits to the Castle, town, Heights, Docks, De Bradlei, Crabble, Painted House etc.
EH don't need the cable car to attract visitors as the benefit will be negligible. Getting some decent exhibitions, displays, interpretation, open up the Cold War level of tunnels, will get people there.
Making it into a site that needs 2 days to do properly will get people to stay in the town and see the other attractions.
Sort the transport issues by using old military parking area at Connaught to connect to the Castle and made the site itself car free.
Lay grass on the rough carpark behind the Officers' Mess and use that for events like jousting.
Use the Officers' Mess itself as a great hospitality site and also have a major archaeological display.
I'm sure that all of this can be done with the millions that it will take for the Cable Car
Been nice knowing you :)
Absolutely spot on, Marek, re a low-rise, lo-fi, sympathetically-executed DTIZ town farm/cultural zone scheme - what a splendid idea. With shops, cafes, restaurants, bars, new piazzas, nice affordable family housing, architectural and historical features (they've done this a bit over the summer in Boulogne Haute Ville, by the way, with an old town market garden/allotment - the French are always streets ahead of us, in a civic sense, aren't they - and fair play to them).
Oh, and all together now, one more time, repeat after me: b*llocks to rapacious Chavsda-Wal Mart and the cock-eyed cable car idea (put the latter firmly in mothballs please, at least until the town itself is sorted out ON the ground).
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
naaaahhhhhh bring in asda viva la shoping.