Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The Calais refugee camp is the lead item on this mornings GMTV.It depicts hundreds of single male refugees just waiting for the opportunity to conceal themselves on a lorry and enter the UK.Surely DDC should be putting some pressure on their opposite numbers over the channel to 'do' something about the problem.Either grant them temporary leave to remain in France or disperse them or do what authorities in the UK are doing and deport them from whence they came.
But to ignore the problem is unfair on these poor people.It allows them false hope of someday reaching the promised land.The UK.
Sorry about the spelling of Refugee I hit the key harder than I thought! oops.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Marek if you see the "coming your Way" thread by Phil W there is a little bit about it on there too. The thread didnt take off and was easily missed which was a pity as it was a good topic and the sentiments are there.
Although the refugees are a potential problem in waiting for the UK, the situation is a real day to day problem for the people of Calais. Very nasty disease ridden day to day problem for the refugees too.
Brian Dixon
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dont get me started on this.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Brian by all means get started..thats what we are here for. We want to hear what you think. No use leaving us guessing with a one liner ??
How will we know..it will remain a mystery...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ahh in that case,ideal place for refugee camp marselles or the freanch alps or both.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Jeez I was expecting you to let rip with a 14 page diatribe there Brian...but I guess it wasnt to be...why not put them in the Himalayas!!? the Alps might be a tad close
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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paul,my opinions on this subject is a long one that i prefer not to wright on the subject as it could prove contiversal and upset some members.to cut a long story short all those people should be arested and deported from france as soon as they arive at calais,back to there own countrys with there passports if they have one stamped rejected and there home country fined to cover costs.the other version is to the charity people to stop feeding them alltogether.then tighten the french and our borders so much that it will discourge them coming to calias in the first place.they allso need to be told that this country is not all milk and hony.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Brian
Certainly controversial post, I think no matter what decision is made they will be wrong by someone.
If they dont provide the basic facilities people will moan
if they do provide them others will moan.
Sadly brian youtr way off the mark with rest of your piosting as well.
Those that have come over found jobs, and paid back into the system isn't that good?
We do have many English who i would like to send away cos they have no interest in working but suppose thats ok cos its our country? well to me no it aint!
Those clearly in fear of there life and can prove so fair enough, but we do have a number of youngsters young men im sure comin over for a better life.
There still is quite a debate to be had on this subject and with the BNP active i'm sure the issue won';t ever be allowed to go away.
Sure it will feature in the elections!
So lets not class all the same, and lets also whilst looking at the issue, look at it closer to home, as i'v posted before on our own benefits system.
Don't suppose it will ever change.
but theres a brief outline from me!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,i am sure if i remember corectly the refugees should be taken in by the the first country they set foot in weather its france,spain,italy or what ever country they land in.correct me if im wrong.those countrys seem to let them through by turning a blind eye so to speak we get the flack and we get this debate.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I also think the queues in Calais demonstrate just how well the Border Ageny is operating.At least these people have not been allowed to enter the UK and have been stopped at source.
Pressure must be placed on the French authorities to either a) examine each claim for asylum carefully..within the terms of the Geneva Convention and b) either grant them leave to remain and house and feed them or c) refuse and deport the individuals as quickly as possible.
But just leaving these poor people to fend for themselves is disgraceful and France should be hauled over the coals.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Actually Brian, it is up to the refugee to claim assylum in 'the first safe country they arrive in'. The problem would be proving they knew they were in a safe country or that they did not have valid reasons for thinking otherwise of other countries.
Of more concern should be the number of unaccompanied minors. In this country social services would be all over the case and yet the French appear to be happy to leave them in the shanty camps to fend for themselves. This is something that there should be international pressure to correct.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes some have maid good but the others lingering on benifits and holding centers should be sent back to the country of origin safe or not.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I think this current impasse at Calais..ie leaving the immigrants in squalor, is probably as a direct result of pressure from the UK. After all there was an official holding camp at Calais(Sangatte) before and it was demolished at the request as I remember of the UK government amongst others. The idea being that it encouraged hordes to gather there. That of course is a factor.
But the current state of play abandoning the people there to living without shelter water toilets etc is unbeleivable and something will have to be done for them, and hang the fact that it may attract others. Thats just something we will just have to live with.
In a prosperous EU we cannot let people live like that in abysmal poverty right in our midst.
Sid Pollitt
We are bound by treaty to take people seeking asylum, and we mustn't forget that they are people.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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france are party to the schengen agreement, which states that they have to return any intended refugees to their country of origin.
they are simply ignoring their duty.
keith
odd post from you there, what jobs will they find?
only illegal ones undercutting our own workforce.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Howard I dont think its true that these people undercut our own workforce. The ones that may or may not undercut our workforce are the ones that come in on contract from abroad which is at a higher skill level altogether. Refugees will end up in the kitchens of Soho or the kitchens of the NHS, or scrub the floors of office buildings and so on. These are the jobs that anyone born here wont touch with the proverbial bargepole. I saw a report the other day on TV, which even now in these hard times, stated that the country cannot function without these low grade workers...which I would assume most of them in Calais to be.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think that those jobs would be snapped up now paul.
there is 1 job vacancy for every 10 applicants.
remember when the germans and dutch would not work on building sites, our people went across and took the jobs.
when the economy got gloomy, our people were booted out and the germans and dutch took the jobs.
the british workers just accepted this as fair.
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Certain places on the Folkestone Road, were using cheap labour, and they were hauled over the coals for it, now they are derelict and in receivers hands, so it did'nt do the developer much good.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that explains rather a lot sheila.
i did wonder why so many buildings
were half worked on.
is the folkestone road from the elms vale roundabout to the town centre the biggest eyesore in east kent?
Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I think the biggest eyesore Howard is Burlington House, but some places on the Folkestone Road are an eyesore, where flats have not been completed, and yet they still want to put more, I can't understand it, I wish they would let the community have Westmount, we could do such a lot with it
Sheila
