howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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as i thought, random cuts will be made, with no thought to where the money should be saved.
accountants will make the final decision, the deadwood at the top will remain, while the workers will get the order of the boot.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
That is not true howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i am getting confused here, are barry and brian the same person.
the posts are so similar, bald statements, with no reasoning.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,698
Barry even your party spokesman was forced to admit the other night when questioned by Andrew Neil that they currently only had plans to axe Ofcom and intended to institute 3 new quangos, net gain of 2, which even the most innumerate of our electorate can see is an increase being trumpeted as a reduction.
I am actually with those in politics who believe that the proliferation of quangos is bad for politics and that many of these organisations represent little or no real value to the taxpayer and whose roles and responsibilities could be passed back to the relevant department. An example of this would be "The Potato Council" whose activities frankly ought to be carried out partly be DEFRA and partly by a trade body set up and paid for by farmers.
On the other hand I struggle to see the difference in real terms between unelected unaccountable unresponsive bodies and the elected one we have had for the last 30 odd years - other than with the latter we do get the chance once every 4-5 years to replace one bunch of people who only care about the electorate at elections with a different bunch who feel and behave the same way
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ross - the point is that for the first time a leading politician has set out a clear basis for evaluating the worth of a QUANGO. He has instructed the Shadow Cabinet to review all QUANGOES relative to their departments on that basis and then take the relevant action, as he clearly set out. Incidentally, it has long been the policy to get rid of regional development agencies and the unnecessary regional tier of local government, not just OFCOM. Make no mistake this will be part of a huge change in the way Government does business.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BAZZ
On the question of Quango's I think we ALL agree that governments for ever and a day have made use of Quango's AND there aint much support for them.
So lets not get on this hobby horse of labour bashing, the tories were no better and i never heard you call for the quango's to be dismantled when tories were in govt.
So lets be clear this is no more than another opportunity for bazz to bash the labour party.
At least we are starting tosee the light at the end of the tunnel on the NHS clearly Bazz is now promoting private health, and BIG BIG NHS cuts, although the tories have not yet gone that far, they to have made it clear they will be making cuts in the NHS
I'm with howard on the bigger picture, the NHS can be one to be proud of if we revamp and make sure we get rid of the dead wood.
(Maidstone did ) THEY got rid of the top layer chief exec.
The NHS is struggling for survival because it can see the increases in the number of medicines/.cures coming onto the market, and everyone wants these on there doorstep summat that will never be achieved.
So we have to revamp the hospitals to make them clean and reliable, and bring back the matron to have teeth in running the wards.
We need a clear vision for the NHS and cut back the senior managers who are costing lots of dosh but providing little.
A major review of the NHS is wot we need not a slow run down of it
FIGHT FOR OUR NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE
It will be to late when the tories slowly run it down or worse abolish it.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
howard,the answer is no,barryw is a good 6 inches taller and 4 inches thinner than me.thanks for your concern.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith, why did you not follow direct on with the conversation as left off with my post nr. 45 and address the points actually mentioned. I made some very specific comments and all you do is respond with general stuff from which things have progressed. The answer to your QUANGO point is contained in the thread previous to what you last posted, if you care to read it. As for the rest, well its the same old stuff you regularly churn out and containing factually inaccurate statements about Conservative policy (getting mixed it up with my views that are different...)
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Bazz
cos the threads are so long and boring i realy cant be bothered or even remrember wot your central officre last posting was
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Then you are admitting that you do not know what you are talking about. Making silly and repetetive statements is no substitute for good intelligent discussion. What is that old saying you should note, if you have nothing to say then dont say it...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barryw,no people are just getting bored stiff with your insistant boring tory trollop.
Sid Pollitt
I must say that the constant party political stuff does get a bit boring and I can see what Keef's saying. What I find the most disappointing is the way that some, well BarryW really, get personal in the comments. If you dont agree with the Tory [central office] line he calls you thick or silly or something worse. A poor show old boy.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Yes sid thats right, Although I will always support even barryw's right to post a political page would help
but im only a pleb in this
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Constant Party political stuff..... Get real and look at the threads, how many are to do with party politics, two currently that are 'current' out of, what the top 20 plus that appear.
If you dont like political threads dont read them. But then that is what you want to achieve, to reduce the number of people who read about Labour's collapsing Government. Its the only way you can defend it, trying to cover it up and reduce discussion on it. Thats why you divert threads and try to trun them away from intelligent discussion and into absurdities.
No-one Keith is more political than you and Sid, to claim different is what they call a terminological inexactitude!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
barry
i think, with all due respect, you do not see the difference between a political discussion and a party political discussion.
the former is where people give their thoughts and opinions, the latter is where party dogma is quoted in the guise of legitimate argument.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Howard you have almost hit the nail on the head. A political discussion is where one or more people debate issues and this is where Barry has the advantage. He not only reads and agrees with what Tory central office puts out, he understands it. Sid and Keith merely repeat Labour Party dogma as they have both got used to having there thinking done for them and have no need to understand what they read or have preached to them, its called following the party line, this leaves no leeway for the individual amongst them to offer or suggest alternative policies of which both Sid and Keith in a free political party would excel.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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A small correction, or two, Ken. I dont actually read what Conservative Central office puts out, but I do read a whole range of blogs, newspapers and ConHom (which is not an official Tory site). I also often disagree with Tory policy and say so, recent examples being my call for the Conservatives to be much bolder about the need for bigger public spending cuts (I advocate 20%). Also I disagree with the ring fencing of health and overseas aid, instead I would ring fence (indeed increase) Defence spending only.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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cutting overseas aid is never a good idea.
it is only an investment for our companies to get an in with these countries.
if we cut aid then another country(probably one of our eu chums) will jump in and take a grip on the market.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Well well our Ken re appears
As you know your posting is CRAP i have had as many disagreements with the labour party as many other members.,
Certainly not brainwashed,
And you know that to be correct
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i read kens post and thought it was interesting, but he then went on to bring up personalities.
keith, sorry to say this, but you have done exactly the same.
