Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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HOWARD
Upon reflection you are right, its just that when people post and be economic with the truth it makes your blood boil.
I have been at many meetings with ken where we have been on the same side and he knows it
never mind lets et back to the forum and helping Dover to become a town to be proud of.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Keith. I fail to see how stating facts can be construed as being economical with the truth.
As for your rather glib statement of helping Dover to become a Town to be proud of, most Dovorians and residents already are proud of their Town, they just feel it could be better served by those they elected. Those elected however are restricted by the amount of monies returned to the Town by central government.
Where central government does benefit the town is the vast amounts of benefits they pay to those new Dover residents from eastern Europe who in their turn pay rents to Dovorian landlords and shop in Dover, what a pity they place such a burden upon our education and primary care systems something not tolerated in other European countries.
Where were the independant thinkers at government level in the Labour party when unrestricted accesss to our benefit,education and health services were granted to our new European partners? No other country in the EC gives such access to benefits as the UK and that is why the president of France and other EC leaders blame the UK for the refugee problems at all the channel ports.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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As if to confirm the above, in the last two minutes, two of Dovers less solubrious charactures cans in hand were shouting at the rear of the Riverside Centre from where I am making this post. When I asked what the problem was, they said we were stopping what they termed Slovaks from destroying the trees in the park. "I was born here and I'm proud of my town" said one of them" and I don't want anyone vandalising it".
I rest my case.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting post ken, just one thing though.
the landlords that benefit from central government are mostly not dovorians.
in my opinion they are parasites that are allowing properties in our area to deteriorate, whilst being in receipt of tax payers money.
i hasten to add, that does not apply to genuine local landlords who take time to vet prospective tenants and keep their properties up to reasonable standard.
Ken, I do not know you, but I am able to see why perhaps you are not drawn to socialist ideals or perhaps notions of equality. And before you rush in, "equality" does not mean "the same", it means equal opportunities and fair treatment.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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missed a trick there bern.
ken is an original socialist, family thing i believe.
he has veered from one party to another as there appears to be nothing much between them.
interesting word socialism, means next to nothing really.
i used to think that i was one, then gave it some thought, the people that have claimed to be socialists have been some of the nastiest bigots in recent history.
messrs gaddafi, pol pot, stalin, trotsky, mao tse tung, various latin american dictators, john goodwin, the list is endless.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It's O.K. John, Howard's only joking !
I think there is a lot of truth in what Ken says there.
Those people who come here are not coming here for our weather. They are not going to other European countries for their benefits either.
I don't have a problem per se with people coming to Britain if they can speak English, if they have a skill, if they are willing to work and pay their taxes etc. buy or rent a home.
It is the continual drain on all our resources - education, health, police, judiciary, finances etc. without putting anything back in to the pot.
What I don't agree with is the current set up in Calais that emanates from the other (Eastern) side of Europe (and further afield) where people are NOT escaping persecution, just escaping their badly run country and the ensuing poverty that that brings, so they come to Britain - BECAUSE of our benefit system.
If they were seeking sanctuary from persecution, they could and should seek a safe haven (and this has been said so many times before) in the first safe country out side of their own.
There should be much more publicity about what they will actually get (which is less than what even we think they get - so I'm always being told).
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Bern just to fill you in a bit more about Ken.....
Yes indeed Ken Tranter was a very very well known local Labour chap. He was a very good Mayor of Dover about 4 or 5 years ago and a staunch Labourite. He then it seems suffered a disillusionment and had fallouts with a number of Labour bods including Gwyn Prosser MP, and at that point rather famously 'crossed the floor' to join the Conservatives. Ken is the very first entry in our WHO's WHO section, there is a picture in there of the man himself with Iain Duncan Smith of that very event. There is also further mention in the entry on Jan Tranter. Ken was also an excellent Forumite in the old days. After a quiet period he is back !!
Anyway there we have it, so far....just a brief synopsis.