Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Sherratt .Thank you for that,my wife and myself was at a N.H.S. meeting only two weeks ago and we walked out after about 10mins because we coud see it was just a PR thing and the NHS put £1000s if not more in to this kind of meetings they have to just to keep their jobs and it is all wrong when funds are in need on the front lines,just like the ones you have put in your post.Thank You.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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It would do some of you good to work alongside some of the Managers who work for the NHS
There are many people who abuse the services they offer I could write more but it makes my blood boil to hear the way some of you carryon ..
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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80 % of the NHS budgets are controlled by Primary Care Trusts and they allocate the monies where it is needed (in Dover this includes funding to the big telly but that is a whole other thread). Doctors who used to provide a health care service now work on payment scales in which basic health care advice is done on a pay scale. Advising patients to give up smoking earns them more than being on-call out of hours, actually taking the blood pressure of diabetic patients earns them more money and bonuses are paid for patients NOT sent to consultants. If we want better treatment it is most certainly the way payments are made that needs looking at urgently.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Sue, I would welcome the oppoertunity to work alongside a NHS Manager, trouble is, you cannot do it unless you have NHS experience. It's a closed shop!
Sue
Sorry not replied to yours earlier but just in from work.
Also sorry you feel the way I am carrying on.... If the elderly (and I am nearer70 than 60) get this type of treatment as our friend experienced and it is because of a reduction that is being paid to practices then it needs to be drawn to attention that there must be a lack of Government Funding for the NHS locally
My blood boils when I see so many highly paid admin jobs being advertised for Primary Care Trust etc (they are seldon under £40k) and yet we are being,like our friend, pushed from pillar to post as it seems a facilty being stopped at practices is not adequately replaced either at Buckland Hospital or the Health Centre in Dover.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's madness Pat.
Just shows the duplicity of this government.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nice try at electioneering roger.
looking at pats post it seems to say that the primary care trust have enough money to pay for admin staff, not enough after that for frontline services.
Howard...Exactly re frontline services v admin.
Roger.... Not sure what you are saying re my post is madness. If a facility is being withdrawn from a GP Practice because of a reduction in funding and the NHS or Local PCT are not offering a suitable alternative (Buckland/Health Centre) then with the possibility of more practices not doing blood tests the PCT should ensure the people of Dover are given the facility in Dover in as quick a time that GP Practices currently deliver.
It may be political that the current Government has reduced its financial contribution and if this is the case shows that the Government promise of not cutting the NHS is a lie. However IF there has not been Central Government financial reductions then why are GP Practices being financially reduced by local PCT's...if it affects "frontline" then it must be on increased "admin".
Didn't go well last time I had a blood test.
Seeing that I was nervous the Doctor said 'Don't worry. It's only a small prick with a needle'.
'I know you are Doctor!' I replied.
He was not impressed.......
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I wasn't trying electioneering Howard, but my understanding of Pat's posting was that the Government are cutting back on funding for blood-tests - which must be mad.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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roger
no the governement do not decree what the money is spent on, the PCT's do.
bob
years ago a dentist said to me that i would just feel a small prick, i replied "if i do, you will be hearing from my solicitor".
Thanks Roger
Sorry I thought you were indicating what I was posting was mad... Indeed if finance (whether PTA or NHS) is being withdrawn I agree it is madness.
When I lived in Ashford my local practice gave a yearly "MOT" to all over 65 which included blood tests... The practice there considered it as "preventative" and in effect saved the NHS ££££ by early detection. I do not know of any Dover practice that offers this type of service.
Thanks Howard
So how do we, as taxpayers, ensure we get the service from the PCT who are reducing a service to the people of Dover.
Sounds like a job for Gwyn. Remember him? He is the Mr Photo opportunity who, as I recall, stood in the small and inadequate car park of Buckland Hospital waving his piece of "appeasement" paper. I think at the time he was reassuring us that Buckland Hospital was safe and services wouldn't be cut etc., etc.
So, I reckon he is just the man to sort this out for Dover.............. (waits for the inevatable defence from the usual suspects)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pat
this is a never ending problem.
east kent gets shafted on everything, i do not know why!!
i was told that i needed a digital hearing aid about 6 years ago, no joy, spoke to gwyn prosser at his saturday morning surgery outside the old library, to his credit he made representations on my behalf(take note sid).
he mentioned the fact that his aged mum that lived right in deepest wales already had one and had made a great difference to her life.
basically, after checking things out, we here are about 10 years behind the majority of the country.
Howard
Yes East Kent (and in particular Dover) seems to miss out on many things other parts of the country secure... and the health services is a splendid example hence why I had hoped Charlie or Gwyn would have made comment in particular if Central Government have not reduced finance but the local PCT have...so where is the money being spent????
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pat
just check out the offices and facilities and wages that the pen pushers have..
that is not a full answer, i know, some money gets through, just later than everywhere else.
for example, it has been impossible to get a NHS dentist for years here, now we have a surgery in castle street that has at least 12 dentists to my knowledge, and is reduced to handing out leaflets in the street to get patients.
Howard
No financial figures seem to be on the NHS Eastern & Coastal website although they are proud to say they have £1billion to invest in healthcare within its geographical area.
Also they state as an objective "Improve health and reduce health inadequalities"..so we in Dover seem to be missing out as we again lose a facility.
As far as financial info I suppose this can only be obtained under FOI... Pity nothing openly published.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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HOWARD
You are right in correcting ROGER on his aim to make this into a political f ootball, its far to important for that.
My understanding is that this Govt more than any other has increased year on year funding to the NHS.
It looks like we have a problem more locally, with PTC and way it allocates dosh?
Yep,need to go back to having the A MATRON on the ward, and a lot less managers.
that would be a good start
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pat
the website is full of self praise, but as you say no figures.
i was marked down for a heart by pass recently, quite a common and straight forward operation nowadays.
i would have had to go to london for it, i magine how traumatic that would have been for someone in their eighties to all that travelling, then not having visitors during the recovery period.
keith
i know what you are suggesting about the return of a matron, but times have moved on, they say that modern nurses would not put up with the hattie jacques figure.