Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The LibDems are the most inherently dishonest party of the main three.
Their claim of some kind of moral authority is shown as a complete sham. Those of us who have been involved in politics for a long time have always known the Libdems to be the very worse hypocrites in politics and it is now being exposed to the wider audience.
Vince Cable has been completely skewered by John Sopel over the convicted criminal who donated £2.4m to the Libdems. Cable was challenged to hand the money back so the victims of the donor's crimes might get back some of the money that was stolen from them. Cable refused and when challenged to take a moral lead Cable said no.
Cable was completely lost and demonstrated just how morally bankrupt he and his party is. Do watch it.
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2010/04/vince-cable-comes-cropper-again.htmlI don't think any party can claim th moral high ground on donations or expenses. Snouts in trough, as I said in another posting. I'd rather see the parties slogging it out on policy and how they are going to save our economy and the country from bankruptcy.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry! The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday give very good descriptions of the main parties contending the Gen. Elections. The Mail on Sunday recently published some very appropriate articles to help open our eyes to reality.
You may even think I have extreme views concerning mainstream parties, but in reality they are in line with many articles being published! And yes, Barry, the Tory Party does not fare well in many of these articles, and are being compared to Labour! People are waking up to reality, Barry, and also, Democracy on major isues is becoming more and more talked about, it's a growing theme, a subject coming up that will take up more space in news papers.
And also, if you read the public opinions on the blogs of major national new-papers, you would see that the e.u. control comand in Brussels is generally despised as an evil system.
Brian Dixon
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barryw,thats like the pot calling the kettle black.best advised to look in the way the torys/labour get there election money.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The Conservatives have not been in a position of accepting a major a donation from a convicted fraudster Brian so the Libdem situation is unique in this respect. The Libdems are living down to what I would expect of them.
I must add though - if they emerge as HM Official Opposition to a Conservative Government I would only be too pleased. Labour down to third Party status, wonderful.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,if thats so it would be the same as reciving money from a non domisile wouldnt it.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That question came up in Question Time last week about the Lib-Dems and that money from a convicted crook - I thought that Vince Cable did not extricate himself very well from that.
All 3 parties have had MPs taking money where they shouldn't have done, but the general view is that Labour MPs have been worse - at least David Cameron dealt with it quickly and decisively.
I don't believe that there is an honest comparison between this Liberal crook and Lord Ashcroft - he should have paid taxes, but his money wasn't stolen from, other people.
The Lib-Dems are great at stirring up trouble, are totally dishonest and will blacken anyone's name, if it helps their cause - thoroughly disgraceful people.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,the last line of your post is debateable to a certain extent,but wont pursue it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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most of the campaign so far has been about mud slinging, no party has come out of it very well.
panic has set in with the two big parties, so expect things to turn nasty over the last week and a half.
The party funding system should be transparant, if not it gives another reason for us not to trust polititians .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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It would be interesting to know whether Paul B charges for line space after all each Candidate has to declare their expenses and to come on here and say Vote fior ???Leaves many questions .
I said earlier the editor of this forum shpoukd be un biased .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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susan
all candidates have been invited to give their views on this forum.
paul and i have been working very hard to get everyone on board, charlie does not post here, gwyn sends in press releases, stephen (for john brigden) posts on here, mike walters of the english democrats is a member but does not post,vic with john buckley and andy cooper are the most voiciferous of all.
i doubt that the forum could do any more.
in have not exhorted anyone to vote a certain way, from what i have seen neither has paul, colette or posh barry.
Open forum, invitations given, job done. Nothing to do with bias.
Wild horses couldn't drag me to vote for UKIP, but, credit where it is due. Vic is using the Forum incredibly well to get the party message over.
Instead of moans about this or that or about bias and line space costs, it would be good to see a few more policy statements on here from all the big three parties.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite right sid, every platform should be used to get the message across.
vic and his cohorts have cleverly used this forum for this purpose.
bern makes a very good point, we have tried to get everyone on board here.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you for that and i would just like to point out that next week there are meetings going on and I have been told I can on sit in and have my say what do you say about that SUE fair or unfair,any party can come on the forum pick up on anything I or UKIP have said,they can also put there own Manifesto on the forum for all to see like we have done,that is what being fair is all about unlike the meetings going on now,where the public only see the 3partys, but take it from me I will be having my say on Tuesday night.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I shall not be at that meeting as I have a campaign meeting to attend .I will be at the lunch at Mid day That should prove interesting .
Labour Party 1997 General Election Manifesto
"9 We will clean up politics, decentralise political power throughout the United Kingdom and put the funding of political parties on a proper and accountable basis
The Nolan recommendations will be fully implemented and extended to all public bodies. We will oblige parties to declare the source of all donations above a minimum figure: Labour does this voluntarily and all parties should do so. Foreign funding will be banned. We will ask the Nolan Committee to consider how the funding of political parties should be regulated and reformed".
So, how come we are still throwing mud around on this subject. Has it not been properly sorted as per the stated intention of the manifesto?
I just assumed manifestos were for election campaigns only Sid , Im pretty sure there all forgotten the day after election day , by all partys .
