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Funnily enough Penny that link links back to your post.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry but I will not look,for some years when on the town council and after,I keep asking about the great paintings that are locked away,never to see daylight,and there are lots of them,I said if they are to stay locked up then they should be sold off and the money put to good use within the Town, and then the paintings would all be up and seen by some of the public some where.
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Fascinating site.
If you use Ed's link above you get 195 paintings with Dover in the title, most of them held elsewhere.
Click on the one bottom left of the first page, Buckland Paper Mill by Colin C Bailey, when that comes up click on 'Dover Collections' in the top right hand box and you get all 220 paintings on the site that are held by DDC
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i was told that a lot of works of art were stored under the town hall, i don't know how true that is.
Guest 753- Registered: 23 May 2012
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I remembered seeing this at Leeds Castle last time I went but couldn't see it in the link that Ed posted.
It's called The Embarkation of Henry VIII at Dover.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is some painting, would love to see that in our museum.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes they are Howard - the museum holds a large collection of artwork and artifacts in the Town Hall and in storage at Deal - too much to be shown but as you know the museum regularly rotates it's displays
Yes that is the Embarkation, there is the twin "Field of the Cloth of Gold" of which the the originals are at Hampton Court Palace
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Large copies are in the NAAFI restaurant at Dover Castle which are worth a look
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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is this the one you refer to paul, if so it is another stunnng painting.
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Yes that's the own Howard
Re #7 - people don't realise that those two gun towers were in the area of the Western Docks/Pier District !! Hence Round Tower Street
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Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Found this on display in the museum at RNAS Yeovilton when I visited there earlier this year; it shows Dover under massive barrage balloon protection during WW1, and I'd love to be able to buy a print of it, but no prints were on sale.
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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What an interesting painting, would also love to buy a print. It shows two blimps from the RNAS aerodrome at Capel le Ferne, used to patrol on the lookout principally for U-boats as an integrated part of the Dover Patrol. The term blimp was coined by an officer at Capel le Ferne as it is the sound made when one flicks the envelope with ones thumb. The chap in the gondola is semaphoring to the destroyer leaving by the Western Entrance and/or the other blimp.
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So it is, what a beauty.
Re your #12:
I have been wondering for some time if these are the two round towers put up on Clarke's pier of 1495 for securing vessels to or whether they are stylised representations of the Black Bulwark and Archcliffe Fort. According to Hasenson, the pier and towers were still intact in 1520 when Henry set sail for the Field of the Cloth of Gold but had largely been destroyed by gales by 1530. As the picture of the Embarkation was not painted until around 1545, perhaps these are indeed the two defensive structures, particularly since the picture shows only cannon mounted on them and no bolts and rings for mooring vessels.
The book accompanying the engraving made of this massive picture for the Society of Antiquaries in 1781 states "The two forts here described were the Arch-cliff fort to the west, and the Black bulwark to the east. The picture in the collection of Lord Montagu above mentioned, exhibits these two forts as being near the foot of the round hill called Shakespear's cliff and a plan of the town and harbour of Dover made in the reign of Queen Elizabeth (see the plate annexed) points out with precision the situation of the two forts."
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Some sections of the painting. It seems likely that Henry and his retinue actually travelled across on smaller vessels and that this picture, painted long after the event, has employed a bit of artistic licence in depicting the great ships of his Navy.
Henry is not shown on the ship in the centre of the picture but on the one with golden sails on the far right, believed to be the Henri Grace a Dieu.
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Mary Rose is in there somewhere too ?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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brilliant paintings the lot of them.
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Yes, I believe she is depicted and would have been in the area earlier according to this entry in Wikipedia:
After the peace Mary Rose was placed in the reserves, "in ordinary". She was laid up for maintenance along with her sister ship the Peter Pomegranate in July 1514. In 1518 she received a routine repair and caulking, waterproofing with tar and oakum (old rope fibres) and was then assigned a small skeleton crew who lived on board the ship until 1522. She served briefly on a mission with other warships to "scour the seas" in preparation for Henry VIII's journey across the Channel to the summit with the French king Francis I at the Field of the Cloth of Gold in June 1520.
