Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, my point was that the travellers came to England from the Czech Republic and Slovakia and have large families, because they are valued with children's allowance and housing benefit and wot not all.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You mean then Alexander, that the children themselves are valued as a "cash-cow" - a commodity to produce, to bring in money for their parents ?
Beats working I guess, but we should stop paying out on child-benefit for any more than the first 2 or 3, as it makes people too dependant on the State.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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roger;
could you please explain what action is being taken
and will be affective?
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When I (hopefully) meet with the Director of Waste Services this morning, I'll have more of an idea exactly how they are going to do it.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ok i will watch this space
i was talking to one of there officers recently who said they felt powerless
spent a lot of time in the area but the residents dont care
hope it goes well
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Many of the residents don't care Keith, that is true, it's how we make them care that's the big question.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger;
i think we come from the same standpoint on this one, but i think you will find its as frustrating for the officers.
will direct action(fines) etc work, will they pay them
im still interested if
1; the council will actual do anything apart from keep talking to them, but lots of
dosh already spent doing this and it clearly hasnt worked
2; what action the council will definatly take
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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something has to be done, children are living in these conditions and residents are up in arms over the current situation.
Jan Higgins
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Well some residents are the rest are the ones causing the problems.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Its time for action
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan, many residents in the Folkestone Road-Clarendon area and in the Desolation Spot area are traumatised by the squalor and noise, and many have complained to the authorities.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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traumatised just about sums it up, all we can do now is wait for the return of roger from his summit at waste services.
i can picture it now "i have in my hand a piece of paper etc etc".
"herr walton has promised peace and quiet in our time".
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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surely they would say hello first???? lol
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Maybe the cancelling of housing benefit to the properties that will not comply with waste management.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Keith b
there are a number of options open to the officers, but will they do any of them?
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Folkestone Road has a number of B/Bs, the number used to be even greater in the past.
Folkestone Road used to be a tourist area for this reason, and, to an extent, still is.
What will visitors think, when wandering down this area? It must leaver a nasty impression.
Just imagine the remaining B/Bs closed down (at least half of them have already gone), and some landlord then started renting these properties out to the very large families already here. Once their children grow up, it will be a forgone conclusion that they'll move somewhere, won't it!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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For those of us that have lived here for so long the folkestone road as i have said in previous threads has suffered unlike any other ward around.
1; BUILDING OF CHANNEL TUNNEL
When this was ongoing workers came from across the country knowing it was short term and didnt look after the properties knowing as soon as it was built they were off and left the buildings in a terrible state
2; ASYLUM ISSUE
When you house more other nationalities than those living in the ward
asylum seekers outnumbered the ward population, you ask for trouble
so much so we had to ask for a dispersal to save people getting killed
on top of that we had people who were fighting in there own countries
housed in the same hotel, and social services there 9 till 5 mon to fri
as soon as they went home they were at each other with baseball bats
poor preperation.
3; BOOTLEGGING
Then priory suffered from the influx of rival gangs from up north threatening
eveyone going on ships intimidating them to give them there duty free
allowance sat the time(witnessed it)
witnessded rival gangs, and told how they threatened there own shop keepers
up norf to sell there goods.
big money at the time was made.
but once that dosh dried up they all moved back up norf houses again left
in a state.
don't forget on top of this we had a shhooting in normally quiet area of maxton between two rival gangs
and the stabbings at the fair
this is just a small flavour of what priory residents have had to put up with and continue to do so.
no wonder people feel let down by the authorities
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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totally sums it up keith, the feeling of being let down.
hopefully the meeting yesterday will bring about a change.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes hopefully howard
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Sorry this has taken me a while to get to make a posting on my meeting with Roger Walton, only Jean has been very poorly in Canterbury hospital - she went in Tuesay afternoon and I brought her home yesterday afternoon, but is very weak and not particularly happy; she is at Buckland just now undergoing her Haemodialysis.
Anyway, I met Roger on Thursday morning and had a good, productive conversation on the many problems facing the residents of Folkestone Road and the surrounding roads.
It made me smile when I read about " I have a piece of paper from Herr Walton" but I have received reassurances that there are external agencies and DDC departments involved.
They have drawn up a map of all the houses along the Folkestone Road, from the beginning, up to Underdown Road, all with a description of the problems with which ones (many of course, cause no problems whatsover).
Because there is not a surfeit of officers, it will take time to resolve all the issues and because we do have quite a transient population here, what will be succesful now, will need to be done again after a while, because we will have new people who don't know what is expected of them.
Someone asked what powers will be used to sort out the rubbish problem and it is section 46 of the Environmental Protection Act.
Others come under planning.
I wrote a paper on the questions I wanted to ask and will reproduce that below (I hope you don't mind that this is a long email)
Meeting with Roger Walton -Thursday 12th. of June 2012
Q - What departments are involved in sorting out the various problems we have and how are they doing it ?
A - Waste services, Planning, Private Rented Housing, Environmental Health, Community Safety Unit. Externally, Social Services and the Police.
1) Waste and rubbish issues,
2) Anti-social behaviour - all sorts
3) Noise late - at night (sometimes during the day too)
4) Over-crowding - too many people for the numbers registered
5) Children not going to school - mostly East European
6) Dog-poo - almost everywhere
7) Too many businesses looking after "vulnerable" people - and not managed properly
8) Rogue Landlords - bad housing with bad tenants
9) Front gardens not looked after - bringing the area down
Q - Do we have the legal support to effectively stop the above activities ? A - Yes.
Q - Do we have the resources ? A - yes, but it will take (longer) time.
Q - Is there an extra cost involved ? A - No.
Q - When do we expect the zero-tolerance approach with an outside body issuing fines, to start ? A - October
Q - An officer from the CSU went round with the PCSO Ryan Bullows last week, how did they get on ? A - no update (I'll ask them direct)
As Chairman of the Priory Forum, we are going to do another clean-up; we applied for funding last year from "Clean Kent" for the one we completed in September and there is money left over, but we can't do a proper job without a petrol strimmer.
We asked for the left-over funds to be used to buy one (they cost around £80 to £90) but was told no, so one of us has had to buy one - how daft is that ?
We are also intending to hold a get-together with all members of the local community (all will be invited) at the Clarendon and Westbury Community Association Hall on Belgrave Road. We feel this will be a start try to understand each other's needs and (cultural) differences. Perhaps then we can build a community comprised of all the local people - maybe a bit fanciful, but we must try.
There may also be a chance that we can get some volunteers to help clear up/tidy some of the front gardens in the lower part of Folkestone Road. We have to work out how we do this, but it is an intention.
Hope that helps explain where we are.
Roger