Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 November 2009
14:5633683Thank you Roger for that.
I am not in U.K.I.P just for my own means,I have been reading alot and meeting up with them +at the last Gen/Election Mr Nigel Farage who you all know by reading the papers did aske me then to stand for U.K.I.P.AND NOT GO IT ALONE,but I told him I would just try it,but if there is a next time i would join them,well that time is now and I have joined up with them.
Over the last for years as you know I have been in and out of the New party and your own party years ago IN THE 1960s I was in the blues with Mrs Cotten,I then went over to the reds then after that I did nothing till I went on the Town Council.
As the reds have said no to aeferendum on the European Union, and then the Conservatives turn their backs on one after saying they would hold one.U.K.L.P is the only U.K.party holding the line on it and will not turn their backs on it till we are out.
But there is alot more about U.K.I.P thinking it is not all about the European Union,and this where I come into it I hope to get out and about telling the public what U.K.I.P. stand for other then the above,and we can play a big part local as well.
As for my health I would die happy knowing that I done my best
for what I think is right and also helping my home Town.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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22 November 2009
21:5333714HOWARD
Dont know why you twist my words, i have made it very clear
1; That i believe in every one having the right to stand if thats there wish
2; My belief on VIC is that i feel for him, but that said i do feel VIC will stand for
ANY party that would finance his campaign, whether or not he supported the
policies of that party
3; Im thinking of the health of VIC and although VIC tries to play down the
4 times he stood and lost and lost badly, it is a fact, people have as a
candidate rejected vic for whatever reason.
4; On the general election nite VIC thought he would run the REDS/BLUES
close, yet his votes were poor.
5; At that election i saw and spoke to vic and saw just how down he was and it
wasnt nice to see.
6; I saw this once before when a tory who told everyone in priory he would win
seat lost by over 1,000 and once the tories knew at the count they were
not going to win they dis owned him and his wife it was left to me to
talk to him
so whilst its everyones freedom to stand if they so wish, i do feel for vic and would hate to see him heavily defeated which is likely and worse dissappointed.
On the quesstion of the few votes vic may pick up there is no guarentee where
there will come from could be ex red or ex blue
and could keep gwyn or boost charlie
no one knows
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 November 2009
22:0433716keith
it really is quite simple, ukip candidates take votes from blue candidates, much as bnp candidates do the same to red candidates.
victor will stand and does not need to be patronised, he knows what he is doing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
07:5733718Howard - I dont think that is necessarily as true now as it may have been in previous elections.
The reasons being:
1/ The primary motivation dominating the next election will be to get Labour out. It is a truism that Governments lose elections rather than Oppositions win them.
2/ Tactical voting switch will be against Labour towards the Party most likely to succeed them as the Government, the Conservatives
3/ The Conservatives are at their most Euro-sceptic since accession to the EEC. That will be seen and backed up by other factors which will limit the impact of UKIP. No-one expects UKIP to win the election.
4/ DC has successfully decontaminated the Tory brand and we have been picking up votes from accross the spectrum.
In places like Dover UKIP will pick up most of their votes now from Labour. Even many who may well have deserted us previously will return 'home' due to the motivations mentioned.
23 November 2009
08:1133719I have to mildly disagree, although I may be wrong. I think people are generally out of love with politicians of all shades and trad reds may not switch straight over to the blues, who are equally discredited, but are more likely to plump (love that word!) for a less well known outfit who have yet to flounder about in the pigswill. It is so right that governments lose rather than oppositions win and the reds will lose out for that, but I think we are underestimating how much the plebs are loathing all shades of politicis right now - and the politicians are also underestimating this!!!!! You only have to see how they bleat on about unfairness and carry on spending our money to see that.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
09:1133725The actual ballot does tend to have a sobering effect though Bern. People will see that there is a simple choice, a Labour Government or a Conservative one. Those who no longer want Labour to misgovern will congregate around the Conservatives.
What drives how people vote is not necessarily what drives those of us who are outspoken and firmly opinionated. Most people do not vote based on policy but more on instinct and it is the negative instincts of what they dont want that is the most powerful. People also know that in a democracy you need politicians, a rather sad fact of life. Anyone, in fact, who enters the electoral arena is by definition a politician and they know full well that the only reason minor Parties are not tainted by the expenses row is because they dont have MPs. If they did they would be tainted just the same, proportionally just as many would have their hands in the till. People are not stupid, they know this.
Incidentally - we have seen my point above proven with the UKIP MEP expenses scandal.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
14:5233737perhaps I should stand for the greens
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 November 2009
18:0433750barry
the UKIP did not hang about with their villain, he was summarily dismissed.
the others mess around talking the talk, hoping everything will blow over.
i see that ms kirkbride is likely to stand again.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
18:3133752That is true, they did, that of course was a blatant act of criminality. DC has also acted quickly over Conservatives with a fair number 'asked' to resign including Kirkbrides husband. As I understand it her fate is in the hands of the local party.
The whole point I was making is that no Party can claim some kind of superiority just because they have no MPs. All are likely to have jail dodgers or greedy gits among them. The process of power does tend to attract a few of those. Likewise good candidates and MPs are not restricted to any one Party, even if some are misguided in their political opinions...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 November 2009
18:5433760i take your point about the misfits and crooks pervading all areas of politics barry, however i must take you to task over ms kirkbride.
why has the party leader left this matter to the local party, when he intervened on a much less serious issue up in norfolk last week?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
19:4733770I dont know the details of the case or the 'influence' her husband exerted over her. From my own job I am aware how women (and some men come to that) can be influenced to do silly things by those who purport to love them.
I would say though that the Norfolk issue was a very important one for DC in dealing with the few dinosaurs who wont compromise. A test he passed.
23 November 2009
19:5033771Blimey - I never thought I would see a reference to Love in a political posting!!! I have come over all unnecessary and may have to lie down............
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
21:1733777Bern with you on this one please move over.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 November 2009
23:0833786I have that effect on women...
24 November 2009
07:5033793Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 November 2009
17:3633808Barry was on about the serious candidates for the next General Election and saying I was not one of them.
Well I am now going take you all back to the Gen/Election 2005.
I have with me the write up of a meeting held in the Salem Baptist church the meeting was packed and talking that night was Gwyn Prossermp. Paul Watkins for the Conservative,Antony Hook lib.Dem.Mike Wiltshire U.K.IP. and Vic Matcham this report was in the Dover Express by our old mate Phil Reilly.I will not write about all of the meeting it would take to long ,this just point out that I can be serious.
This is what is wrote word for word .
And the star turn?Vic Matcham was in splendid form for the neutral observer.
He got an opinion on everything and a talent for limelight robbery.
On live exports Matcham went on to say"They(Animals) deserve the same quality of life as us. It should be stopped immediately-no live exports.
About God he said "Im not good enough to be a Christian.
About small business rates matcham said this"We have got to help shopkeepers by lowing the businessrates and gave them value for money-they can,t even get their bloody bins emptied.
Crime He said"We,ve got to get back to the time when we had a real police force.
We must have 24hour police stations in Dover and Deal.
Punishment "Prison is prison and should mean prison -not snooker and television.
The report goes on to say
Matcham drew the loudest applause and certainly made his mark by speaking up for the common man .
It was gutsy and , in his own bumbling way, disarmingly listenable-to. This is for you Barry it went on to say Even the Tories siting at the back nodded in agreement with what matcham was saying
So does that sound like a candidate who can not be taken serious. Over to you Barry.
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24 November 2009
17:4333809Dont you realise when someone is taking the pee Vic...
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 November 2009
18:0333810Barry I can read you like abook I have just said, you would come back with a post like that,lets just see what the rest say .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 November 2009
22:5733844i have been thinking about post 36 from vic.
we have so many manufactured politicos to listen to now, remember the "blair babes", all front and no apparent brain?
most of the blues main players are rather colourless too.
it is not surprising that the general public warm to someone who is imperfect but actually speaks from the heart.
25 November 2009
07:5833849Imperfection is attractive, Howard, to be sure. And so is genuine passion and local committment. It has to be linked with savvy and skill and an ability to relationship manage to be effective. Time will tell.
