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29 December 2009
19:2535867#21
It is a complicated subject Bern, and I`m not qualified to comment on his own particular case, but wouldn`t it create an opening for smuggler`s to use people with a known mental condition to do the drug running? Terrorists for example, they`re all over the world at this moment, quietly biding their time before trying anything. Why can`t people come to this country, give the GP some symptoms, sit back for a year or so, then go out somewhere and earn money smuggling drugs or whatever? Especially seeing someone reprieved after getting caught. P.S. I do trust you Bern.
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29 December 2009
19:4635868#22
They already do, colin! Terrorists routinely target vulnerable youngsters and loners. It's a question of degree. It is a complex and challenging issue.
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29 December 2009
20:0835869#23
Yes Bern. We could do many different posts on here to cover the complexitie`s. Better let the other members have a go.
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29 December 2009
20:1235870#24
All these baked beans on here, Vic should be arriving soon.
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29 December 2009
20:5435873#25
Did some one say baked beans.
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30 December 2009
00:2835883#26
No-one has the right to take the life of another human being.Nor is anyone qualified or has the right to decide who lives and who should die. Until one understands those principles we are all lost and uncivilised.
Marek
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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30 December 2009
10:3835892#27
As with all these cases we only know the outline facts. Without being in possession of the full evidence it is usual to resort to type and trot out our entrenched responses. I don't know if this man was mentally ill or not nor do I know if he was given a fair trial. I do, however, think it is unworthy to take a life in any circumstance.
I am concerned too that the west is giving mixed messages to China. When Chinese leaders visited Britain recently any demonstration of opposition was dealt with in a very authoritarian way by the British government in order to protect trade interests. Chinese human rights are abysmal yet trade opportunities mean that any critical, political statements are toned down.
China has shown its true colours this week, not having to worry about the world's attention for an event such as the Olympics, and we need to learn that this soon-to-be world power (economically and militarily) does not do things our way.
Western greed for the Chinese markets has meant that we chose to turn a blind eye to much of what we dislike and it's a bit late now to be bleating about it.
30 December 2009
10:5335900#28
I can only agree. We - the west - have given China a clear message: do as you please, we need your money.
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30 December 2009
11:0535905#29
They have their rules and stand by them,I think we should learn from that. I do not know if they were right or wrong with this one case,but that is their law.
30 December 2009
11:2135910#30
We can't have it both ways: either we live in a global society or we leave others to their own culture. If we choose to invade for regime change because of atrocities and oppression we therefore have an obligation to comment on and lobby other cultures. In addition, in this global economy these thiongs don't happen in isolation. Surely, as a politician in waiting you must understand, Vic, that it is not as simple as one country having "rules" it sticks to without impacting on its relationship with other countries and cultures?
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30 December 2009
11:3035912#31
Bern I know what you are saying but we are talking about drugs and what they can do.I think we in the U,K, need to do alot more to try and stop it coming in to the U.K. Would we be still be making a case out of this if he had not come from the U.K. I do not think so,it would not have even got in the papers,and what about the other two that died with him.
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30 December 2009
11:3435915#32
Vic
I am somewhat surprised at your response.I have seen you at St Pauls belting out the hymns at 11 o'clock mass and yet you advocate execution..mixed messages...or as Hancock would say .."theres your Christian charity going at full belt..."
Marek
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30 December 2009
11:4135917#33
All I am thinking is about seeing what drugs are doing to the young folk around the world and how to stop the sale of them,do the drug pushers think about that as well ?no they do not only about the money they are making,i have said this before and inthe press I am not a Christian I can not live or act like one ,but yes God is there for all of us.
30 December 2009
12:1135921#34
The pushers - most of whom are themselves vulnerable or addicted and being abused by the fat-cats - get murdered by the state and the actual perpetratotrs continue to live in wealth and freedom? Yes, that works.
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30 December 2009
14:5635931#35
#26. See your point Marek, but then do you put war into this catagory? We`re out in another country killing other races. Who is responsible there? A soldier`s job is to keep the peace, and also to kill. Or are wars justified that it`s okay to take a life, but only in war? Just making a point here that human life is very confusing at times. BERN. Yes, I love your global society, but I feel it will not happen for a long time yet. We need to have a global enemy to unite us all.
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30 December 2009
16:4735937#36
Colin
why not put war there? A soldiers job, unfortunatley, is to do the bidding of politicians. The following quote from 1914 still, sadly, rings true today:
"And all this madness, all this rage, all this flaming death of our civilization and our hopes, has been brought about because a set of official gentlemen, living luxurious lives, mostly stupid, and all without imagination or heart, have chosen that it should occur rather than that any one of them should suffer some infinitesimal rebuff to his country`s pride".
Bertrand Russell
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30 December 2009
17:0535938#37
Done some good writings our Bertrand Russell.
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30 December 2009
19:0635950#38
Mark - thank you for that reminder. My English grandfather was at Ypres. My English Uncle was in North Africa in WWII. My Irish Grandfather was imprisoned for shooting to death a Black and Tan, and my Irish Uncle was the president of Sinn Fein in the SE Eire. My family has seen considerable bloodshed from many angles. And frankly, it all seems like "madness, rage and stupidity" when I look at my teenage son and his hopes and aspirations.
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30 December 2009
19:4535951#39
It is a sad fact Bern, of all the trouble`s in this world amongst the human species, it always seems as though, when one lot of trouble is sorted, another lot begins. Again, a global society would be great, but seems out of reach for a long time, and nothing short of a global catastrophe is needed to get everyone together. What I`ve been saying for years.
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31 December 2009
12:3535985#40
Nothing wrong with taking risks, Colin. It is what makes the world goes round and creates economic and social progress. We would all be a lot pooorer if it were not for the risk takers and business and politics.