13 October 2010
19:5874900Alexander
The above posts have already corrected you that I am not proposing a cable car but a internal lift.
Of course you are correct that people arriving at Pencester for example can go direct to the castle and this would not alter. What I am seeking is a greater number of the car and coach visitors who never get near Dover hence why the town needs regeneration. As such it is a question of the "chicken and the egg", do you have shops first (most unlikely) or the prooven footfall for retail shops to want to invest and open in Dover.
Yes there would be additional traffic but if the flows and parking are planned this can be overcome. Re Burlington House this would also be demolished as per the overal DTIZ site.
I worked in France (Rouen) where they have grasped the nettle with parking next to the Cathedral for both tourist and business users.
Ross Miller
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13 October 2010
19:5974901Thanks Paul - interesting map
Alexander please try reading what people actually write
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13 October 2010
19:5974902The only problem I have encountered when directing visitors to the Castle is informing them at the end of the directing that it costs a bit to get in. They look a little perplexed when they hear the price, but I feel it is fair to tell them before-hand. Last time that were two young girls from western Europe, you could tell that they were on foot and wanted a nice walk, and that they would soon be surprised at dishing out two times the entry-price, being two people.
That was probably their stop-over in a town coffee-shop gone! Not exactly well thought-out, Pat!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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13 October 2010
20:0174905If EH dont charge for entry then how is the Castle to be maintained?
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13 October 2010
20:0474907Ross, I do, but you might find that many people in Dover think as I do on this one. Before incuring in a great expense, the whole thing should be thought over, and peoples' views consulted, as there is a difference in visitors coming from nearby France with limited money who want a nice day out at the Castle and a nice coffee and bun in the town, and can't afford nor want to pay for an expensive lift to the Castle and then an expensive entry into the Castle, and visitors coming from the USA who could easily afford a taxi to the Castle.
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13 October 2010
20:1374910Pat, I can follow your proposal for a coach-park in the DTIZ area, but not the additional lift-scheme to the Castle. The coach-park would be so close to the Castle, that to walk from DTIZ to the proposed cable-car lift would be almost the same as walking to the Castle. It might be a little steep, but a few benches in the curve area would also solve that problem.
It can't be that strenuois to walk a few hundred yards. I gather that there is a question concerning elderly people. So what would it cost for those who wish totake it easy to get a taxi from the DTIZ coach-park to the Castle? Probably less than it would to go with a lift from somewhere near Eastern Docks to the same Castle! If four people ride together in the taxi, it would be probably a lot cheaper than a lift as you have proposed, Pat.
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13 October 2010
20:1974912Howard, with reference to post 12, please read the article written by Sue concerning the White Cliffs of Dover and our protected areas around Dover. I take her word on this subject to be of authority!
13 October 2010
20:2174913Alexander
I am not talking about those that already use taxi/bus/walk etc but those that park their car in the castle or the overflow car park.
It is those that will not visit the town because they are "stuck to their car" and there has to be a way to ensure they park nearer to the town but can still access the castle with minimal walking.
I live 3 minutes from the town centre and within 5 minutes walk to the castle...I am not doubting that you can walk to the castle (I do it frequently and in fact regulary do 6 to 10 mile walks) but it is how do you get the footfall of existing car and coach visitors who currently drive to the castle then drive away.
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13 October 2010
20:3574915I think I understood now, Pat. In this case, the costs would not justify the extra pennies in town! Visitors at the Castle would not dscend to Dover Town to carry back bags of shopping from the corner-shops to the Castle coach/car-park.
They might get an ice-cream or coffee, but then they wouldn't get that at the Castle.
The only way to get them down is by promoting Dover Town as an attraction. To indicate a Castle-Town walk, with attractions to the eye, such as Hubertus Passage (a door to nature - see my thread with relevant photos a few months back), the Castle Street walk, Saint Mary's in the Town and beautiful Pencester Gardens, the Museum, the Roman painted house which we inherited, and may-be to activate a proposal I made earlier this year to the Town Council to re-instate a roof on the Church opposite (or almost opposite) the Town-Council, re-instating it's Church-status, as it really is a beautiful building and deserves to be kept as a church.
May-be the idea of converting it into appartments was the total opposite of what visitors to Dover would expect to see!
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13 October 2010
21:0374918Alexander re the admission cost that is quite reasonable at £13.90 for a whole day for an adult - considering that it costs £8.60 to see a film for an hour and a half!!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 October 2010
21:2774923very easy to spend a whole day there too.
once people have paid the admission fee there is no reason to shell out anymore, plenty of picnic tables for packed lunches and flasks to come into play.
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Bumping this thread up !!
Nice picture on the front page, but a shame to see EH neglecting some heritage nearer to their front door !!
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Well spotted with this old thread Paul. Gosh a treat to see Colin's name again up there in lights as it were. Yes it is an attractive building, sadly neglected and quietly tucked away where no one can enjoy it. I've let my imagination run away with the notion on the frontpage that it could be turned into a tourist attraction, a quiet tourist attraction. Wishful thinking perhaps...but one day when money isnt so tight, it could be a real gem. There is something deliciously solitudinal about it languishing there in the late evening sun. But I note too that even Colin, in an earlier post above, didnt know of its existence and came across it by fluke..shame really. Thats the way of it for everybody else too.
Nowadays it is occasionally enjoyed only by youths who have the ability to climb over the fences in order to get in. Occasionally even the homeless have lived there.
I suppose EH suffer the same problems as HMG in not having enough money to go around.
ps: solitudinal is probably not a real word there but you get my drift..
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Seems the site being an eyesore is nothing new !! from 1888
Been nice knowing you :)
It is indeed lovely to see Colins name back on the page. And he always took such fab pictures!
