howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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cannot find the original thread i started, the word on street is that our port will be staffed purely with junior officers without the experience and powers that we have at present.
surely our blue members will have the shell like ear of chas to speak into?
the present team is one of the most successful in the country, do we really want to open the door to drug smugglers, gun runners and similar bad eggs?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well I hate to say but UKIP at the time in their Manifesto Put this,"Non-UK citizens travelling to or from the UK will have their entry and exit recorded. To enfore this the number of UK Borders Agency staff engaged in controlling immigration and our borders will be tripled to 30.000 .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 thousand sounds a lot better that nil vic.
it might be an idea to chase our new honourable member up on this.
i certainly will.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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just a reminder about imigration officers,now known as uk boarder force are at this preasant time working at the channel ports a good thing one would say but does has its problems.for example,coming through calias to come back to the uk,quite often there may be one or two booths open plus one for busses.there are four booths there but only two officers ok for quiert days but over busy periods can be a nightmare with ques right outside of the port,on many ocasions people have there ferrys at cost rangingfrom afiver to 12 quid a through.the sequence of catching your ferry is passport controll.ferry operater booth then car park on the right berth.normal run 7 to 10 minutes,on a busy day 20 to 30 minutes.normal mainland border crossing time 10 seconds.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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There's an online petition about this which I signed yesterday to try to stop this madness. If you feel the same way I do, please sign up:
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/protect-our-borders-stop-the-cuts.htmlTrue friends stab you in the front.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, in reply to your question, the answer is no! We don't want to open the door to them. But I think it has been opened weather we like it or not, without us having any democratic faculty to close it!
Unfortunately, since the present administration decided to scrap ID cards (like they have on the continent) there will continue to be hold ups on the border, plus our schooling, social services, healthcare, etc. etc being ripped of by Mohammed Mouse.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Have signed up Andy, and included a juicy 493 character comment too!
Hooray for the present administration. ID cards may exist on the continent, but are not used when crossing borders. It's only us Brits that have to prove who we are when leaving or entering our own country.
ID cards are just another way of HMG storing data about us for their purposes; they help us not at all.
And, if they are as important and useful as the previous adminstration claimed, how come no other administration banged the drum? Lastly, why should I pay for something I don't want?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sid, you are not informed properly. To pass from Italy to France, from France to Switzerland, or to Germany, or to Greece, or elsewhere in Europe, from one e.u. state to another included, you almost always will be required to show a passport!
Furthermore, in most, if not all e.u. countries, identity cards are compulsory. If you do not have one with you when you go out (even for a walk), be it an id card, passport or driving licence, you are liable to be arrested and taken to the police station! Sid, please inform yourself better mate!
Sid,
1. The ID cards would store no more data than a biometric passport.
2. It would be a 'unique identifier' which would allow access to data bases which already exist.
What is the problem with this? Why should I have to keep a filing system at home so that I and my family might be able to find our National Insurance Number, NHS registration Number, Driving License Number, Passport Number etc. etc.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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But you don't have to, Bob. All of that information (pertaining to myself!) is in my wallet, so why you should need a filing system for it is beyond me.
What's the problem with it? It's expensive and unnecessary, bureaucratic and intrusive, that's what. Don't you think we pay enough to Government agencies for our Passports and Driving Licences as things stand already?
I haven't mentioned the 'Big Brother' aspect of it all, either, and that could wear my keyboard out!
True friends stab you in the front.
Alexander, what you say is true in only some instances of border crossing, usually when flying, but not always. For motorists, it is highly unusual to be stopped for ID. I have worked and holidayed all over Europe and can safely say, it is only in the UK where I suffer from a lack of freedom of movement.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sid, Id control in European countries often occures when purchasing a ticket to travel by bus or ship to anopther country, or at a travel agency, not necessarily at the border, or in public offices.
To vote in a European country without showing any id proof of identity is unheard of, only Britain has these laws, that I know of! Nowhere in Europe do they believe people by their word as they do in Britain, and id identification is an essential part of law in European countries,l by way of an id card or equivalent (passport etc.)!
But Alexander, in Europe a driving license is often as acceptable as an Id card when buying tickets to travel.
Andy, we need a filing system because there is me and the boss + four kids who (for example) phone from France needing their NI No.
You lose your wallet (though I suppose you'd notice the missing weight) and you lay yourself open to ID fraud.
With a single card with biometric data there is not the same problem.
Anyway the argument has been lost temporarily due to a load of ill informed and rather stupid little Englander luddites (and NO I do not mean anyone on the forum).
What I do guarantee is that within the next twenty years we will all be carrying around a single 'thing' which will be a unique identifier, work with the ATM, open our front door and car, give us entrance to our place of work, act as an Oyster card, get us on the Eurostar to our pre-booked seat etc. etc.
Meanwhile there will still be some prat writing to the Daily Mail by the light of his hoard of filament lamps (because they give a different sort of light) telling me that I should carry a load of keys and coins in my pocket, the latter because the have the king's head on and we are English after all.....
"You lose your wallet (though I suppose you'd notice the missing weight) and you lay yourself open to ID fraud.
With a single card with biometric data there is not the same problem."
Unless it happens to be in your wallet! Der!!!
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Actually, I plead guilty to being an English Luddite!
If all this replaces what we have, fine.....if it's another additional form of ID, then no - not for me. Then it just becomes yet another tax. BTW, my NI Number is on a rather nifty little plastic card the same size as a credit card, hence it being wallet sized.
I do actually plead innocence over the Daily Mail thing, though.......
True friends stab you in the front.
Sid 'with biometric data' is the important bit.... Doh!
Bob, and you think the technology to translate that illegally doesn't exist? Doh!