Barry are you happy with the coalition ,i hear many tories r upset libs have got there goverment jobs .
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Mark spot on,you need to keep Mel on a lead me thinks
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Is interested in joining labour , i would need to no who the next leader is first .
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Mark - I would prefer an absolute majority for the Conservatives but am very supportive of the coalition.
The bulk of the Tory manifesto including all the important stuff is intact and the better bits from the LibDems too (bits I can support). All in all a reasonable arrangement. i will blog more on it tonight.
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i am getting a bit nervous know, if someone as right wing as barry is comfortable with some of the yellow ideas, i wonder what sort of faustian pact has cleggy signed.
Melissa: "young mums and dads etc with life experiance", I'm afraid you are deluding yourself if you think young mums and dads have life experience. They would still be in the process of acquiring it.
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Go for it Mel and Mark perhaps you can both stand one for Labour and one for the Tiresal that Tory and Liberals added together.
Could be intresting
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
It will be interesting how the coalition works , when the next election happens how will the blues campaign , because they may need the libs again .
Sid, your last post wasnt right. Plenty of youngters have many a tale to tell so technically what your saying life experiance comes when your 50 plus????????
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For me Labour now has a chance to re group.
The conservative/lib dems are poles apart in belief, and they wont be able to keep pretending everything is rosy
Already senior conservatives are saying tories should have gone alone
and Lib dems are saying clegg has sold out on P/R
just talk to the Lib dems in southampton about how much they hate the conservatives, and if you don't believe them hop across to the consevatives in southampton who are clear about how much they hate the lib dems.
So it will all end with another election in a year or so.
Labour has time now to re group
On the Issue of young, I feel the Labour party is a broad church and should be made up of person's from all walks of life.
Also not frightened to speak out if you don't believe in a particular issue.
For me i'm pleased the Lib/dems gone in with tories, it will show big time in next general election in a year or so, and lib dems will lose even more seats, as will the tories
Selling your soul just to get into number 10 was the wrong way.
Now paulb, in the height of labour getting realy bad press over a year ago everyone had written them off I still predicted a hung parlianment and was proved right(even though laughed at on this forum)
my new prediction is another general election within 18 months
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So then Keith lets stop talking fantasy and look at the real interest of the country. You have critisised the coalition and have been looking at it only from a Labour perspective. What would be your preference to dealing with the election result that would place country before party.
We have an unprecedented financial crisis and the country is at war. If the markets do not like what emerges the bond markets will go into meltdown, interest rates we pay on our mortgages would soar as would the interest paid by the Government. The Government would have to go to the IMF who would impose cuts and those cuts would have to be even highter and more aggressive in part due to the higher interest rates paid by the Government and the damage done to the fragile economy by high interest rates at the wrong time.
So allowing for these facts what would be your solution instead of the coalition for the sake of the country? L:ook at the options.
A minority Conservative Government. It would have to present a tough budget (and Queens Speech) and effectively dare the opposition to bring it down. If another election was forced and the government fell without budget approval then we would get not only another election but a financial meltdown as well.
A minority Labour Government - a non starter, just too weak.
A Lab/Libdem government. It would not be able to command a majority without buying the support of the nationalists. The costs of that would be huge and we heard what that price would be, protection from cuts in Scotland and Wales. In other words the full force of cuts would fall on England. If no cuts emerge then financial meltdown..... It would not last long and another election would follow quickly resulting in a Conservative landslide and in fact, Labour would be luck to have any MPs left in England.
There is no other viable option other than what we have. The Lib/Con coalition is the most stable solution and one best placed to calm the markets and produce a plan that will help resolve the financial mess Labour left us with.
There are a lot of unknowns and we do not know whether the coalition will last once the really hard decisions are made but it is the best and only game in town.
It is quite strange how the senior Labourt party and Unite leaders all admit Labour lost the GE and the LibCon coalition, given the hung parliament scenarion created by th evoters, is, for the time being the best option for the country, yet, we still have grass troots Labour folks refusing to recognise the situation?
I don't think anyone wanted a hung parliament, and in fairness, DC did warn what would happen if it ended up as we clearly did.
It is obvious there will be differences of a significant nature which will cause DC/NC problems, but, we created this situation and have to hope they can make the coalition work, for the sake of country.
Meanwhile, Labour has been destroyed and needs to quickly, but carefully, rebuild. The selection of a new Leader will be the first step on that road. The country does need an effective and cohesive, not spiteful, opposition. What I would be concerned about if I were a Labour supporter is where the leadership will come from. There doesn't appear to be a John Smith, Tony Blair character in their ranks; someone with a political and social vision of the same magnitude and charisma as Blairism.
Interesting times for sure, and we should all hope and pray our politicians of whatever standing or background can save our country and democracy from the tatters left behind by Gordie and his team.
Finally, does anyone have an expressable view as to what happened to the Blairite philosophy?