Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Hot off the press today a new group has been formed in the European Parliament. It consists of 55 MEPs with negotiations going on for more members to join them
The 55 MEPs at the moment are:
26 British Conservative MEPs
15 Polish MEPs from the Law and Justice Party
9 Czech MEPs from the Civic Democratic Party
1 MEP from Belgium's Lijst Dedecker - Derk Jan Eppink, a Dutchman who is a former senior European Commission official
1 MEP from Finland's Centre Party, Keskusta - Hannu Takkula (who has left the Liberal Group where the rest of his party sits)
1 MEP from the Hungarian Democratic Forum - Lajos Bokros, a former finance minister
1 MEP from the Latvian National Independence Movement - Roberts Zile, a former finance and transport minister
1 MEP from the Dutch Christian Union - Peter van Dalen
They have signed the Prague Declaration that sets out some principals for the grouping for the anti-Fedalist group as follows.
1. Free enterprise, free and fair trade and competition, minimal regulation, lower taxation, and small government as the ultimate catalysts for individual freedom and personal and national prosperity.
2. Freedom of the individual, more personal responsibility and greater democratic accountability.
3. Sustainable, clean energy supply with an emphasis on energy security.
4. The importance of the family as the bedrock of society.
5. The sovereign integrity of the nation state, opposition to EU federalism and a renewed respect for true subsidiarity.
6. The overriding value of the transatlantic security relationship in a revitalised NATO, and support for young democracies across Europe.
7. Effectively controlled immigration and an end to abuse of asylum procedures.
8. Efficient and modern public services and sensitivity to the needs of both rural and urban communities.
9. An end to waste and excessive bureaucracy and a commitment to greater transparency and probity in the EU institutions and use of EU funds.
10. Respect and equitable treatment for all EU countries, new and old, large and small."
This sounds good to me, in particular the possibility that more may join. We need a more powerful centre-right Euro-sceptic grouping in order to advance some real reform and to abandon the dreadfull federalist programme. Unless there is substantial reform I do believe the UK will not remain in the EU for much longer.
Do we know if they would accept the BNP MEPs as members? (Before you ask, I am not being difficult, I genuinely want to know).
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I very much doubt that as the BNP would be at odds with a number of principals central to the grouping, specifically:
nos 1, 2, 3, 6, 7 (they would want to go too far and, as such, would be in conflict with 2) and arguably 10. Not to mention the sheer disgust the majority of the new grouping would feel about them
UKIP might, just, fit the group.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Dont be surprized BERN if the BNP head that way
the RIGHTWING will do owt to get control
so watch this space
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You clearly dont really know much about the BNP Keith. Their policies of nationalisation and a centrally controlled command economy is directly opposite to what the Conservatives and the ECR group stand for. There is very little in the ECR group principals that they could subscribe to and we certainly would not want them under any circumstances.
In fact they have much more in common with the left of Labour. It is more accurate to describe them as the rascist left than as being in any way right wing.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BARRYW
Please don't preach to me, you have a viewpoint and i respect that, even though dont share it.
I won't get into this my balls bigger than your ball playground stuff
And believe me I know a lot about the BNP probably as much if not more than yourself barryw but thats not for this post.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Then you should just admit Keith that you made a patently silly statement to suggest there would be anything in common between the ECR and the BNP.
If you have a basis for your comment regarding the BNP/ECR then please explain it instead of having a hissy fit.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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No hissy fit here, just explaining, as a pleb member in Dover you will have no control over your friends allowing the BNP in should they look to do so.
I hope that none of the larger groupings will allow the BNP to come anywhere near them, but there are so many ultra right wing thugs disguised as MEP' members from other countries that they will find another home anyway.
You only have to look into Mr Griffins friends in Europe and the parlianment to see he will have a home.
worrying trend across the world
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are speaking a load of utter nonsense Keith.
The BNP are so far at odds with the core principals of the ECR the question just does not apply. About as likely as the BNP MEP's (National Socialists!) joining the Socialist Group in the European Parliament. Your point is simply nonsensical.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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As i say BAZZZ
They have enough countries support of like minded people they would be at home with so don't worry your little head.
Brian Dixon
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barryw, it might work if you cut number 5 out alltogether,or reword it to full intergration.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is the whole point of the exercise Brian, to have a new Eurosceptic group that is opposed to integration and the Federalist agenda. So, yes it will work with that as the objective. Its a good start in the fightback against creeping federalism.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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may be some people want to be fully intrgrated with our continintal cousins,or dosnt that count anymore.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Yes, Brian, I am sure some do want integration but many, according to the polls the majority, do not. The Conservative view is against integration, the LibDems for, so you have a democratic choice at elections. The LibDem MEPs and Labour MEPs are within integrationalist groups, the Conservatives not.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ii doubt that there are very many people in europe that are looking for fuller integration.
every time there is a referendum somewhere, the message comes across clearly that the powers in brussels have no respect.
i would give the european union and it's currency another 10 years at best.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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either that or the pound will dissapear alltogther.history demands it as we have a number of currencis over the years.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Can you explain what you just posted Brian? I really am not sure what exactly you said.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,quite simple over the centerys we have roman coinage when the romans invaded us,we have had the groat,the german mark.all recorded in history books.i am sure i have missed a few but never the less changing the pound to the euro is no skin of our noses will it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian, lets deal with the reality of today. Joining the Euro would have serious economic consequences. Those who advocate it do so from a political not economic viewpoint, its all about forging a European superstate. A modern sophisticated economy is very dfferent to that of the Roman Empire.
I can only agree - currency, like language, is political and often used by oppressors to oppress.